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Showing this was not about security at all.
It never was
One could argue surveillance and tracking is about security. They’d be wrong. But they could argue that.
That’s absolutely about security. Just not yours. There’s a lot of people whose financial security is at risk if they can’t sell that data.
Title leaves out “or passport.”
In a push to get you to think you must have a Real ID, I’ve noticed the media constantly leaves out or minimizes the fact that a passport is sufficient to get you through an airport or any other place a Real ID is required.
So no extra fee of you have a passport.
You know some dumb shit TSA is gonna not understand that part.
Okay good, I used my passport last time I had flown so I was worried I’d have to cough up an extra fee the next time.
We still need to go through the process to make sure that we verify who you are
As long as I don’t have any weapons it shouldn’t matter.
A meme of jd vance is the most dangerous weapon of all
Oh shit I’m cooked
A passport is a really good thing to have, and lasts much longer than a Real ID state license. It ends up costing like $13/yr and it opens up the whole world to you. It blows my mind that on;y 50% of US citizens ever bother getting one.
Well over half of us live paycheck to paycheck and traveling is exorbitantly expensive. Especially international travel.
It sucks being broke.
Ding ding ding- the commenter your replying to must not be poor to think buying something you cannot use is a good idea 😂😭
Travel can be done cheap. Don’t go to the exorbitantly expensive shitty fake ass resort where you get food poisoning.
Go be real, in the real world.
As a passport holder myself, that was my plan. This article has me wondering if we’d still be charged the fee. TSA is notoriously stupidly incompetent, and I wouldn’t put it past this system to be giving kickbacks to agents.
idk, not by the letter of the law, no. But they are they are pretty awful sometimes. I personally always used my passport for all flights even before REAL ID existed, it’s just easier for them than offering a license from a rural state like I live in that they may see once or twice a day.
It costs 165 bucks per person or almost $700 for a family of 4. Then they need $3000-$5000 to travel round trip once to a destination in Europe.
Why is europe the only place you’re considering travel to? It’s a big world out there
I guess I figured on an English language online forum most of the folks here are US and Europe
Because it’s romantic.
My real ID is 8 years versus my passport’s 10. And cheaper, less hassle to renew, and more convenient to carry. But I do have both.
My state also hasn’t offered non-real IDs in several years.
Basically extortion to continue the absurd, ineffective security theater.
So is this just legal way to bribe the TSA
I paid for a real id license when they were first available in my state, and I’ve paid for a renewal. I disagree with the surveillance society they enable but I’m also a realist who wants to travel conveniently.
But I’ve still never gotten one. When it comes down to it, actually getting a real id license requires taking a day off work and waiting in line at the Registry …… whereas I can renew a standard license online and have a few years left on my passport
One of the many ways RealID has been a fiasco is RMV/DMV’s not staffing up to support it
I’m in a backass hillbilly state but I just made an appointment at the DMV and then had to wait all of 5 minutes when I got there. But, then they tried to argue every single piece of paper I brought which involved calls to supervisors so it wound up being a 40 minute ordeal. I swear they don’t want you to actually get it.
when I was like “hey can I do my REAL ID real quick now too?” to the DMV agent I was renewing my registration with, he literally laughed at me 🤣. It’s like 90% the effort of getting a full-blown passport, at least with the documentation they make you give in my state…
oh so it was never about security.
Is it that uncommon to have a passport in the US? That’s basically part of the common ID paper you’d have here.
Yes. We can travel over 3000 miles and still be in the same country with about every climate. Meanwhile for a family of 4 it would cost almost $700 to get passports and involve waiting weeks. Then flying say Seattle to Paris for instance would cost about $3000 before actually doing anything there. This is in addition to the $300-$400 spent every 5-7 years on normal identity documents that you need for other purposes. This cost varies substantially state to state.
Meanwhile families here are facing drastically escalating costs especially housing and medical.
Compare that to a European who could travel 100 km on the train and be in another country.
Americans have both increased dis-incentives and less incentives to travel internationally compared to Europeans.
I mean EU citizens can also travel similar distances in the schengen zone without a passport and just an ID card.
Does it cost $3000-$5000 for a family of 4 to go anywhere you would need one and require the family to shell out an extra $700 when half the population is living hand to mouth?
for a family of 4 it would cost almost $700 to get passports
You lost me there for a moment. In France, a biometric passport costs 86 € (~$100) for 18+ people, 42 € (~$49) for kids between 15-17, and 17 € (~$20) for people younger than 15. It lasts 10 years for adults, and if you renew your national ID card and passport at the same time, you only pay for one (ID card alone is 25 €, ~$29).
$700 for a family of 4 sounds insane. But if there’s no incentive, I guess I get it. I basically kept using my passport for a few decades instead of having an ID card, so it feels more natural to me.
Compare that to a European who could travel 100 km on the train and be in another country.
We don’t need a passport to go to most other European countries, fortunately.
The agency warns that even then, there is no guarantee that individuals will be cleared to cross through the security checkpoint.
Bummer, that’s another $45 to re-check until they get it right. I’m guessing this will happen a lot.
I mean that’s obvious. Otherwise you’re just paying $45 to ignore the security checkpoint if you’re guaranteed to get through with payment.
Fucking ABC and their autoplay of videos
There’s really something wrong with people if they think the government can’t track you down with all the paper trail that comes with being a contributing member of society. People that want to live in a bubble thinking they are anonymous are delusional. Full stop, if you own property, you are no longer an anonymous citizen. The only way to be even close to anonymous in this world we live in today is to have a burner prepaid cellphone with zero online services logged in, be homeless (or live with family), have zero credit, no car, no credit cards, no bank account, and be jobless.
If you’re reading this and think that you’d be happy with that lifestyle, you need help.
