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    The best part about the entirety of this comic is that Nazis are the exception to Batman’s “No Killing” rule. He straight up murders a dozen Nazis before a priest stops him.

    It’s about time Nazis see that the world feels the same about them that they feel about others.

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      Just watched Inglorious Basterds again yesterday, it put a smile on my face seeing those Nazi clowns turned into Swiss cheese

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        Saying they aren’t people denies the evil that humans are capable. By calling bad people inhuman, it allows us to forget that we are able to choose evil.

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        There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy fascism.

        You cannot discount how many modern American fascists are pulled from the ranks of the unemployable post-industrial underclass. How many people are signing up for ICE strictly for a paycheck? How many signed up for the National Guard or enlisted in our imperial wars overseas for the GI benefits? How many people could have been EMS or construction workers or ag workers with a paycheck that covered cost of living or white collar schlubs doing email jobs, but are instead getting handed tasers and zip ties and an unlimited license to do violence to their neighbors?

        They’re people. They’re all people. But for the grace of god, you too could be pulling a turtleneck over your nose and kicking a woman’s teeth in while she screaming “don’t take my baby”, because you’ve gone through the two weeks of Clockwork Orange training that turns unemployed middle aged men into monsters of the state.

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        Sadly I have to disagree. They are living people. Do they deserve to be living? No. But they are still living entities which we classify as people.

        Fuck Nazis though. They should die.

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      While I agree with the last part of what you said, isn’t this from Absolute Batman? I thought it was sort of a reimagining of Batman for the single issue? I’m picking up my copy tomorrow, but that’s just what I’ve heard.

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      The best part about the entirety of this comic is that Nazis are the exception to Batman’s “No Killing” rule.

      It’s curious, because Batman’s always been tinged with reactionary politics. You’ve got your Eco-Terrorist in Poison Ivy, your Unfuckable Migrant Gangster in Penguin, your Smug Ivory Tower Elitist in Riddler, your corrupt hedonist politician in Two Face, and your Psycho Carny/Gypsie/Vagrant in The Joker. The Feds are all useless or complicit. The Arkham Asylum is all Hugs for Thugs (when they’re not doing Clockwork Orange shit to turn supervillains into weapons of the state). The only person you can trust is a billionaire vigilante working with the silent consent of a handful of “Good Cops” who turn a blind eye to his paramilitary crusade.

      Writing Batman as “Anti-KKK” really loses track of the origins of the character. This guy basically IS the KKK, or at least some Disney-fied crime-fighting John Galt equivalent.

      It’s about time Nazis see that the world feels the same about them that they feel about others.

      Nazis have always had their own fascist media. Writing the “Batman that punches the Skinhead” comic does nothing to deter the actual white nationalists who are generating reams and reams of AI Slop where Charlie Kirk with angel wings guns down a rampaging horde of blue-haired ISIS day laborers.

      The back-and-forth of the culture war isn’t new. FFS, look at the Frank Miller Batman of the '00s. Or the Batman as depicted in Red Son, who serves as Superman’s foil because his parents were dissident kulaks murdered by Superman’s alt-history adopted father, Joseph Stalin.

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        Writing Batman as “Anti-KKK” really loses track of the origins of the character. This guy basically IS the KKK

        Imma need you to explain

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          Is Batman Actually a Fascist?

          When Batman beats goons to a pulp because they supposedly deserve it, he’s approaching criminality as a moral choice. There’s an obvious correlation between social inequality and criminality, and it’s simplistic and dangerous to say some people are just “bad.” Still, when Batman goes out at night breaking bones, he ignores the core issues of Gotham City’s economy and simply flexes his millionaire’s muscles. By the way, this is the main argument used to defend the idea that Batman is fascist.

          This is, incidentally, the rationale du jour of Red Scare Era KKK. Lynching black labor activists for agitating against the local government. Batman quite literally hangs people from lampposts, in a manner highly reminiscent of the “strange fruit” Billie Holiday sings about. They also popularized “policing” neighborhoods through night raids against black businesses that were deemed “criminal” purely through their relative success. Again, this goes to the manner in which Batman routinely roughs up members of the “legitimate” side of (what the author has decided are) criminal businesses.

          Bruce Wayne’s vast financial resources only complicates the Batman character. The idea of a millionaire spending thousands of dollars on gadgets he uses to beat down poor criminals is problematic, to say the least.

          It should be noted how many members of the Klan were, themselves, landlords and politicians and industrial millionaires of the era. They used their superior resources and their political connections with the police to engage in violent vigilantism against “criminals” like Emmett Till and Joe Spinner Johnson. And they organized within the Klan to promote racist policies at the public level, in the same way that Wayne Enterprises influences politics in Gotham City.

          Let’s take Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns timeline, for instance. That Batman is unquestionably a fascist.

          Batman puts himself above the law and brainwashes an army of lost souls to enact his will, crushing everyone he defines as an enemy. Instead of acting on a moral gray area, Miller’s take on Batman extrapolates some of the Dark Knight’s tendencies to show how the vigilante’s crusade against crime could turn him into a full-blown fascist.

          Probably the most naked example.

          Obviously, this varies by writer. And you can always find more liberal/leftist authors who have re-positioned Batman as explicitly anti-slavery, anti-apartheid, and pro-union labor. But these are very novel interpretations, relative to the character as originally portrayed.

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    There’sa pretty great modern comic I got from the library: Superman Smashes the Klan. Tells a story about a Chinese family moving into Metropolis and getting marginalized, has some good hero moments as well as identity moments for Superman - who, of course, is not from America.

    I’d really love it if we had more modern media that sets aside the “complex, humanized villains” trend and just has Nazis as villains to get decimated.

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      What’s really great about that comic is it’s a loose adaptation of a 1946 episode of the Adventures of Superman radio show called “Clan of the Fiery Cross,” wherein Superman also takes on the Klan.

      Klan membership went down after the broadcast aired, partially because fathers couldn’t really explain to their kids why Superman wanted to fight the Klan.

      It’s credited pretty heavily with weakening Klan membership at the time of release, and it’s on YouTube.

      This is kinda unrelated, but you were mentioning some of the identity moments in the comic. I really appreciated how they did some similar commentary in the new movie as well and, since I had never seen those themes focused on in Superman, I did some research into the history of immigration commentary in Superman.

      Anyway, that’s how I found out there’s an adaptation from the 1980s where the life pod carrying Superman actually just contains DNA which it then assembles into Superman, all so Superman can be an American-born citizen. The 80s were one of the decades of all time.

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        It’s credited pretty heavily with weakening the Klan

        That’s interesting, because the Klan was fairly weak by the 40’s. It peaked in the 1920s (something like 1 in 3 white Indianans were members in its heyday, to the point where Klan chapters would have baseball teams), but there were some huge political scandals and infighting over embezzlement that absolutely demolished the Second Klan.

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            The second Klan was formally disbanded for tax reasons in 1944, a couple of years before The Clan of the Fiery Cross. I think the argument might be more that the Superman episode kept the Klan from rising again. It was already profoundly unpopular in the war era due to some connections with the American Bund.

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    26 days ago

    Bro just wanted to share the stoke for the upcoming snowboarding season. What a shame.

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    I don’t really understand white supremecy from a fundamental level. Like, genetically, we’re pretty crap. If there were racial selection on the character creation screen of life, I wouldn’t have rolled this inferior shit.

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            Nah, I think your brain is just defaulting to social concepts of race which is kind of ironic. It was confusing, but that seems to be the case after all.

            But not enjoying the negative traits of my genetic composition and wishing I could substitute them with others is totally fine. If there was a race of humans with wings, you better fucking believe I find that a cool trait to have. They’d be ugly bat-like ones with skin and shit, but the benefits would be too good to pass up. If you want to acknowledge the social concepts of racial inferiority or superiority to the wings, or even subscribe such concepts, that’s all you. But, as you would note in my original comment, these sorts of ideas are silly to me.

            And I know what horseshoe theory is. It’s mention makes absolutely no contextual sense, but it is highlighting where some people’s brains disturbingly wander off to. Won’t be dragging me along, though.

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      Thats why they are the way they are. They know the only way they keep the power is doing shady ass shit.