A video recorded last week has ignited outrage online after it captured ICE agents violently arresting two brothers in South Norwalk, Connecticut, in broad daylight without producing a warrant. The men, identified as Ricardo Chavez and his brother, reportedly hold legal status to live and work in the United States.
The footage (credit @alwaysfilmthepolice) shows plainclothes ICE agents forcibly detaining the men in a public area. Witnesses say the agents refused to provide identification or present a warrant when asked, instead resorting to physical force and a taser to subdue the brothers before hauling them away. They also allegedly damaged their vehicle.
Community members who know the Chavez family insist that both men are law-abiding residents with valid documentation. “They work, they pay taxes, and they belong here,” said one South Norwalk resident who witnessed the arrest. “This was nothing short of a kidnapping.”
I have no idea how not a single ICE agent has been killed yet?
Apparently the good guy with a gun is a myth.Because they don’t try this shit with people who look like they can hit back, most of those have real arrest warrants on them so they can leave that for local and state cops to deal with and just focus on ambushing students and day laborers and people with small children
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I have no idea how not a single ICE agent has been killed yet?
Apparently the good guy with a gun is a myth.I am low key shocked that some group of vigilantes hasn’t straight up ambushed a pack of ICEheads yet.
Apparently the good guy with a gun is a myth.
It always has been.
It’s possible they have, and those incidents get suppressed for fear of encouraging imitators - similar to Luigi Mangione.
News sites want you scared, but not angry.
The fuck is the point of 2a if not to resist this?
For many Americans, I think the reason for their support of 2A is so they can help the fascists against the rest of us. Most 2A supporters that I’ve met are not what I’d call good people. For the rest of us, it’s hard to find someone willing to die in the hail of bullets that will certainly follow the first shot of the resistance.
They are also simply not in their neighborhoods.
I have to concur. I used to work at a place where some portion of employees were NRA style gun owners. Couldn’t help noticing that the people always going on about guns were psychopaths that least should’ve been allowed near anything dangerous.
That’s why https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/huntington-park-border-patrol-agents-door-explosion/3734095/ we lost our government to fascists. They control our military
That’s what the 2a is for. Resistance.
please view the linked article and video of what happened at the house in the article.
I read the article. Shooting agents such as those in the article is what the second amendment is for
lmao watch the video. rip to you
I saw the video. Do you think that you have a point, or are you just making dipshit comments for fun?
You did not see the video, anyone with half a brain would know the outcome if anyone tried to 2a in that situation. Living is better than swiss cheese
I always thought the whole point of 2a was to shoot POC… But I’m not an American so maybe the nuance is lost on me
I am an American “person of color” (gods, what stupid phrase… fuck this newspeak) who owns firearms (at home, I live abroad currently).
Here’s the exact verbiage of the 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Interpret that as thou wilt; we’ve been arguing about since about 1791.
For what it’s worth, I’d amend the amendment to include this snippet from Marx, just to confuse us all even more:
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
I don’t disagree about anything you said, just a quick note because it’s a term that’s worth understanding:
“Newspeak” is a concept based on the dumbing down of language in order to make communication more difficult and complex concepts almost impossible. It’s not just new words or phrases. If it’s not damaging our ability to think and communicate, it’s not Newspeak. For this reason, “politically correct” alternatives (like “POC”), as well as increasingly specific terms (like “omnisexual” or “demi girl”) don’t qualify as Newspeak because they either continue the existing ability to think and communicate or enhance it by being more exacting about the concepts involved.
I’m not trying to be pedantic, it’s just important to me that people understand what Newspeak really is because the fascists really are trying to implement it as a means of reducing resistance against them. My favorite example is “climate change” which was a term introduced by right wing think tanks to undermine the more accurate (and more alarming) term “global warming.” And it worked.
Anyway, again I don’t disagree with your points, so please carry on!
Surely the don’t tread on me people are fuming and about to patrol the streets to keep their communities safe, right?
Don’t Tread on me people are perfectly fine with other people getting tread on.
ICE isn’t going to their communities
Reminder: nazis are worthless pieces of trash. Who could possibly still pull out of this mess with major life changes and yadda yadda.
Nazi COPS are not saveable. They are no longer human.
Dehumanizing one’s enemies is what Nazis do.
We need not tolerate the intolerant. Else we have a paradox.
So don’t tolerate them. Don’t act like them either.
again with this? tolerating the intolerant is not possible. in addition, I did not dehumanize them. they do it to themselves.
why do you support nazis?
It’s not about tolerating the intolerant, it’s about not using their same thought process lest you fall prey to the same kinds of propaganda. Besides, removing their humanity absolves them of their sin. This isn’t like a house cat killing birds on instinct, these people choose to do this. And they should be treated accordingly.
Broke: Nazis aren’t human
Woke: The worst monsters to be born on this planet are all human, and they all seem to really like swastikas
it’s about not using their same thought process
It’s not even close to the same thought process though. You have to know that, right?
removing their humanity absolves them of their sin.
Also, I take issue with the entire concept of “sin,” so that argument holds no water for me. I mean, what a meaningless “argument”. How does it absolve them of anything??
It absolutely is. It’s a thought process people use to make their actions easier to justify to their own sense of morality and empathy. Militaries drill that same thought process into soldiers for the same reason. It’s much easier to shoot something than it is to shoot somebody, so your enemy must be less than human to make pulling the trigger easier. So you turn a group of people into the Other. And the more you do it, the easier it gets, and all it takes is somebody convincing you that the wrong group deserves the same treatment.
“My enemy isn’t human. My enemy is less than human. Since the dawning of Mankind, this has been the battlecry.”
Also, I take issue with the entire concept of “sin,” so that argument holds no water for me. I mean, what a meaningless “argument”. How does it absolve them of anything??
I don’t care one way or another about the theology around the word “sin,” but it’s the perfect word to describe their actions. By reducing them to subhuman, you make it easy to remove their free will in the equation - it becomes the “just following orders” excuse - and it’s incredibly important to remember that they chose to do this. Nobody is born hateful, hatred is learned. They made the conscious choice to be hateful and act this way, and they should be held accountable for that choice.
People have a hard time accepting that the worst people this planet has ever seen are as human as you and me, but to deny it is to turn a blind eye to the fact that the people in that video could be our neighbors, friends, or family. Because we know them, and they’re good people, so they’d never do something like that, right?
I know full well that they are human, and that any human is capable of vile things… I’m not literally dehumanizing people in that I literally see them as subhuman.
I just have a special category on human for fascists that deserve nothing but pain and death because that’s what they are intent on inflicting on the world. They need to be stopped before they literally murder millions of innocent people.
fair and cogent reply. i’ll take it. :)
“They are no longer human” doesn’t count as dehumanizing? Is english not your first language?
Cops are taking people to concentration camps which will certainly become death camps or slavery in time
I agree that they’re bad people. I do not agree that they aren’t people.
Those seeking to destroy humanity are not worthy of our humanity.
Are you saying that to defeat Nazis we must become Nazis?
What do you think a Nazi actually is? Because it isn’t “stop fascists from killing other people.”
Why do you keep equating these two things? It’s weird.
Why are you using Nazi tactics when you supposedly want to stop Nazis?
What “Nazi tactics” am I using, specifically? I would love to know.
Dehumanization
If that’s how your spongy brain wants to see it, sure. By that logic, all of the WWII veterans are actually Nazis.
WW2 veterans didn’t dehumanize people, wtf are you talking about?
They just shot them and turned them into hamburger
They treated them as enemies, not non-humans. Its an important distinction. Its the reason they were the good guys and you’re not.
Oh fuck off. People are pissed off and rightly so, don’t impose your bloated sense of morality on them and try to villainize the people being put under the boot of fascists for viewing those fascists as inhuman monsters when they are acting like inhuman monsters. Asking people to humanize victims is fine, but demanding that people humanize those that terrorize them is just moral masturbation. Shut the hell up.
Oh fuck off.
No.
don’t impose your bloated sense of morality on them
My sense of morality is the reason I’m not a Nazi and don’t act like a Nazi.
for viewing those fascists as inhuman monsters
You know what, you’re right. We should just shrug, throw our hands up, and declare “guess they’re just evil subhuman scum!” instead of looking at the problem objectively and dealing with the societal issues that lead human beings into these kinds of ideologies. I bet that’ll work this time.
demanding that people humanize those that terrorize them is just moral masturbation
Bullshit. They are human beings. They have some really bad beliefs and it’s ok to dislike them. You’re already justified. You don’t need the hyperbolus bullshit. You don’t need to talk exactly like they do to make your point.
Fuck fascists. They are subhuman scum because they are actively choosing to be subhuman scum. They forfeit their right to be regarded as a person and became part of a system of hate. It’s not an innate trait of who they are, and I’m not giving them the benefit of empathy when they are making the choice of viewing real people as targets out of pure hatred of them being a different skin color or speaking a different language or being born on a different piece of land. Nazis and fascists gave up their humanity by choice, not by nature. You’re begging sympathy for the devil to appease your ego to feel holier than thou. Fuck your soap box.
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Yep. Which is why they need to be dehumanized. There is a difference when it’s targeting one specific group because of their murderous hatred. They need to be stopped.
You can stop them without using their rhetoric.
History has shown us that there is only one way to stop them. I guess people like you need to learn the hard way again, rather than learn from history.
How exactly is saying “they’re not human” on the internet going to stop them?
Read a history book, and maybe you’ll understand what I was referring to.
I’ve read a few, but none of them said that we defeated Hitler by calling him subhuman on the internet.
Remember in 2019 when Hong Kong protestors called the US for help?
Yeah… about that… 👀
(I saw the image and I immediately thought of Hong Kong)
It’ll keep happening until we all show up with baseball bats.
Start carrying people. Bear up them arms.
Just find like-minded people, dress up like they do, don’t identify yourself and wear a mask, and do whatever you want. It seems to work for them.
Imagine, I got a 7 day ban on Reddit for saying it would be funny if someone stole an ICE dick’s car and left him standing there with his little mask.
These guys deserve so much worse than being stranded like that. And Reddit is ri-god-damn-diculous.
Yep, MAGA is filled with fucking neo-Nazis who want to turn the USA in to 1930’s Germany.
Oh so we’re using lethal force (tasers) on suspected illegal immigrants now?
Authoritarian hell…
Man I want to walk up behind the Nazi in that third pic and kick him in the grundle so hard.
*has ancestors that hauled ass all the way from Europe, beats latin americans because immigrant"
Dont you guys have the ENTIRE amendment against this shit? Wear a strap, conceal carry and if somebody tries to literally kidnap you, just protect yourself.
I imagine for most, outside of a larger organised effort, the calculus is fairly simple. ICE agents are likely “itching” for someone to reach for a piece, for an excuse to shoot an “illegal”. And it’s not like law enforcement’s going to show up acting all reasonable to a scene with dead ICE agents too. Anyone shooting an ICE agent would get plastered all over FOX not as a defender of individual rights, but as a case in point for the propaganda machine.
Resisting is an almost certain death warrant. Not resisting you maintain ‘hope’ that reasonable minds will win out in the end / that you’ll only be locked up for a short time.
You are right in your assessment, but unfortunately, if nobody starts with active defense, it will only get worse and more “accepted” by society. That is how indoctrination is done, in small steps, “checking the water” for whats accepted by the masses and whats not, slowly pushing more and more into the extremes.
They don’t need to produce a warrant. Please direct your outrage correctly.
“Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides ICE officers the authority to arrest aliens without a judicial warrant.”
This has always been the case. It’s not Russia, it’s not Trump, the outrage should be directed at the “Immigration and Nationality Act” but I guess when Biden or Obama were President it was OK?
Been that way since at least 1990. So, um, when Obama was the Deporter in Chief, I don’t remember people jumping out of their skins like now?
Was there a daily occurrence of masked ICE agents with no identification smashing cars and grabbing people under Obama? I understand you want to talk about Democrats gladly participating in laws that help fascists, and you’re right, but it’s still valid to show the active fascist shift by listing the occurrences that pile up now when they didn’t before - not nearly as much.
don’t call it a warrant then, call it proof that these people are aliens because it doesn’t appear they actually have this either. and without that then they are violating a different law.
“Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides ICE officers the authority to arrest aliens without a judicial warrant.”
Emphasis mine. No warrant. No due process. Not an “alien” unless you can fucking prove it.
And you gave away the game with that last part… If you think this is anything like what was happening under Obama or Biden, you’re ignorant or lying.
“gave away the game”? What are you even talking about? The “game” is going on and on about something that’s not relevant.
Why aren’t the articles saying what you are saying instead of stating irrelevant information? They didn’t have warrants either under Obama or Biden.
So you have some articles from Obama/Biden era about plain clothes, masked, agents who refused to identify themselves, smashing car windows and pulling people out of cars without warrants?
So fucking dishonest.
They actually require reason to believe you are hear illegally not skin color or accent nor presence outside home Depot
Sure but that’s different than going on and on about “no warrant”.
most arrests in a non-racist US would have to effectively be as paper driven as any other arrest a targeted enforcement against bob who we know overstayed his visa or james whom we caught sneaking in.
The problem with other actions is that they are inherently going to involve demanding papers in a fashion that is inherently illegal. You don’t have to anywhere show proof of citizenship to walk down the way.
OK but ICE doesn’t have to show a warrant and it’s always been that way. I didn’t invent that, neither did Trump. No one complained when it happened under Obama or Biden, or Clinton, or Bush(es)… Look, I’m just as horrified as anyone else with a modicum of humanity, but blasting the “without a warrant” part in every headline is counterproductive.
Under Obama people here legally didn’t fear being kidnapped. Even people in fear of deportation didn’t worry about taken to a foreign concentration camp to die nor did he say that the next job was to get rid of the legal ones who didn’t belong here.
Get out of here with your bullshit
This is what sycophancy looks like. ☝️
