The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.
If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn’t a pure-hearted hero, he’s a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Absolutely.
I know people can call superman boring, but to me what makes him even more amazing is that he has enough power to basically dominate everyone… But he doesn’t, he always chooses to do the right thing and tries to give people a second chance.
It’s part of the reason Zach Schneider’s Superman sucked balls, because they tried to make him some dark edge lord that literally kills in the first fucking movie.
Supes is the last hero that remains as some sort of beacon of hope and fairness, which naturally goes against the fascist mindset.
A red hatter cannot comprehend having power and not using it to subjugate or enforce your will. It simply does not compute in their lead infested brains.
I think it’s a challenge to make superman interesting because he’s both so powerful and so good. That’s why, when I read / watch DC stuff, I like it when he’s a side character, not the main character. I think Captain America is the Marvel universe’s equivalent of Superman in terms of personality / attitude. But, he doesn’t have anywhere near Superman’s power, which is why it’s easier to write interesting stories with him.
You’re completely right that that’s the mindblowing part of Superman – that he has all this power, but he doesn’t use it to reshape the world. Instead, he saves people from dying, whenever he can. And, he stops people from hurting other people.
I think a lot of the conservative mindset is that there are people who are supposed to be at the top, and people who are supposed to be at the bottom. If you’re at the top, it’s because you deserve to be there. If you deserve to be there, you have the right to impose your will on the people below you. Superman is undeniably at the top in terms of power, but he refuses to wield his power. That doesn’t make sense if your world view is that might is right.
The biggest super hero fan I know said that he doesn’t like Superman. Confused by this I asked him why, and he had a pretty good point.
His reason was that, Superman generally isn’t physically challenged. In most cases the only issue he faces is trying to figure out what is going on. After that, Superman wins every time. The only exception is with kryptonite. His literal only weakness.
So all plot lines boil down to a mystery, followed by some flashy scenes of Superman going Superman stuff, the end; with the only real exception being “bad guys have kryptonite”. It’s boring.
And you know what? He makes a good point.
None of this goes against anything you say, it’s just one person’s opinion (not even mine). The only reason I’m posting this is to say, it’s possible to dislike Superman content, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t imply someone is anti-Superman.
Food for thought.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Right, the main complaint is that he’s so perfect it’s boring.
And also that he has a pretty Western/USA centric sense of morality, which you think Western chauvinists like conservatives would eat right up.
Well, except he’s a journalist and an immigrant and he fought against the kkk.
Personally i like stories where he strugless more with how yo use his powers without becoming a despot.
Its so intresting tought experiment how much some one who is basically a god should intervine before it is too much.
At what point enforcing law becomes tyranny.
Even in-universe they call him boy scout lol
I was anti-superman for a long ass time. Currently, I’ve grown more found of the character but not because of some “woke” or some bullshit MAGA male ego.
Superman is all powerful. Too powerful, IMO. When they finally killed Superman off with Doomsday, as I a kid…I rejoiced! Told my YMCA camp counselors it was a great day.
Sadly, when they brought his ass back from the dead, like some DC Jesus. I was highly disappointed. Even though everyone else was so excited to see his return.
I like the character more now and enjoyed the movie quite a bit. Just some childhood hate still stirs. Would love to see some Marvel characters go toe to toe with him on screen.
Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
Conservative culture creates whiney little bitch-made motherfuckers that have no meaning in their lives beyond clinging to imaginary grievances. The state of the world would be marginally better if we all learned to stop giving them attention.
Because “woke”/liberal/left/PC mob/etc arent the exact same thing just coming from the other side? For every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter do the same thing. Winding everyone up.
One side is actively building a fascist state. The other is not. Sit down.
Sit down/shut up… spoken like a true fascist. I mean, you all could have had Bernie in 2016, and the world would never know what a Trump presidency looks like. I wonder what happened there… In 2020, you could had any one of the over a dozen democratic nominees who had a free health care plan for the US. But you ended up with ONE old as fuck dude who wasnt interested in it. I wonder why… And then in 2024, instead of keeping on going with the clearly far too fucking old dude, or binning him much earlier, he got kicked out, and some chick that was so not good enough that her healthcare plan was actually laughed at. And then just last December, when AOC was nailed on for a committee seat, that same fucking ghoul, came out of the shadows to make sure that some old as fuck guy with fucking cancer, got the seat instead. Thats right, the party you think is so fucking amazing, choose a 75 year old man with cancer, over a 35 year old woman in her prime… I wonder fucking why…
You lot, youre so fucking blinded by the rot that tells you what to do and what to think, that you never consider that its the whole system thats fucked, and youre all just being pitted against each other so you dont notice.
Oh, and the 75 year old man with cancer? Dead. 4 fucking months he lasted, and guess who STILL doesnt have the committee seat…
You sit the fuck down, and open your fucking eyes. All of you.
Name a few.
Both sides are not the same dingus
Funny, “they” same the same thing. Youre all balls deep in this shit, and dont even want to fucking see it. Youd rather attack anyone who brings it up. Because god fucking forbid, you actually take responsibility abusers you have ALL become.
Somebody felt a little called out, huh?
Called out for what? Not a being someone so balls deep in the culture that I can I tell when the fucking algorithm is trying to get me to have really strong opinions about books I never read, movies I never watched, and games I never played? Unlike all you people, who think all this shit is just so fucking important that you think its ok to dehumanise a group of human beings. They do it, you do it. And you all make excuses for it. Hard fucking pass on being one of you lot, with hate so ingrained into your fucking soul.
Someone is really feeling the soapbox tonight
Feels like they’re arguing with themselves and begging for attention most of the time. It wouldn’t be a problem if corpo bitches didn’t listen to them.
If only they were arguing with themselves. The problem is everyone else who picks a side, and then jumps in arse first with a lot of opinions and very little information that isnt just headlines and buzzwords. People are so fucking angry all the time. And they blame the “other side” for it, not once considering that for every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter turning the screw just as hard in order to get likes, shares and subscribes.
Only the time of the online influencer became a thing, we were all fucked. Covid just accelerated to ludicrous speed, and now dark helmet is up all our asses.
Are you really comparing online influencers to actual governmental powers literally stripping our rights and caging people for having the wrong skin color in the name of theocratic fascism while supporting a literal “religious” genocide?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Who is doing that? Let me guess, the algorithm…
But no, I wasnt doing that. But its all part of the same problem. The culture wars. What youre seeing is the result of all of you running in to it blind as fuck. Thinking everything you see is truth, and everything they say is a lie. And they do the same with you. And theres always a really good reason.
Trump might be a cunt, but that doesnt mean theres not an army of influencers out there generating content to feed your outrage. I mean, look at say The Critical Drinker. Hes one dude, who reviews movies. Pushes the right wing side of things. Right? Not search the name on youtube, and youll find so many people chatting shit about what he said and did, just to get you to click and watch. And thats just one example.
If it demands a click, a like, a share, a subscribe, its content. Not fact. Treat it as such.
Meth is a helluva drug, eh?
Not anymore, it runs off AI. All you have to do is feed the data centers catastrophic amounts of fresh water.
The only problem I have with this is that it’s fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don’t even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I’m asking because this isn’t fiction.
It would be pretty ironic if it was considering he socked Hitler in the jaw all those times
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest, because the MAGA cultists somehow still see themselves as patriots.
Irony just doesn’t seem to be their thing, otherwise they probably wouldn’t have voted for the same rapist twice.
I take it you never saw CA: The Winter Soldier. There’s this whole bit about Steve and Nat getting hunted because they didn’t bow to the fascists.
While I prefer to not get my political messaging from media productions, I’ll take what I can get. When was expressing good moral values determined to be a bad thing again? I forget.
About 2015?
May 2015, it was in May 2015.
Real talk: Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
This is who Superman was. A literal (illegal) alien saving humans and, despite his full ability to completely take over the world, trying to be a good human. People can’t seem to handle that.
Just reinforces my belief that if Jesus were to arrive today they’d throw him in a cage and then disappear him to a prison on foreign soil with no trial.
Just verification that they know their views are despicable at some level, even if they refuse to admit it to themselves.
A not insignificant factor in breaking the early kkk was Superman beating the living shit out of dudes in robes for awhile. They’re just mad it worked twice.
and/or they looj at lex and worship him for all the wrong reasons.
Didn’t the same movie have Hawkgirl pulling a Pinochet on the bad guy though? Weren’t they happy enough with that?
No you see because that guy was going to commit a genocide and these people like genocide
This is not normal. It’s ok to have things like a right wing and a left wing, a conservative side and a liberal side, so to speak. But it’s not ok for the right wing to be any further right than, say, Bernie Sanders.
Love the post but am I missing some English education? Whinge? Lol
UK slang that roughly means whining or complaining.
Merriam-Webster defines it as “to complain fretfully.”
I see
not just UK slang, used in America and Australia too - a bit less common than ‘whine’ which I’d say it’s a synonym of.
Sad but not unexpected.
Why does the new superman look like such an idiot? The uniform also looks kinda weird and like he’s wearing a red diaper over an I’ll fitting suite.
Bruh, Superman has always looked corny
Cavill’s one looked badass
I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
So, a character who is meant to embody protecting peace, justice, and freedom for all for as long as he has existed is now too political for advocating peace, justice, and freedom for all?
How dare they impose their politics on such a blank and centrist slate.
No, I just don’t like political messaging in my superhero flicks. You’re misunderstanding my point (possibly intentionally, idk, it’s really not that complicated).
I understand your point, you just don’t understand how character writing works. Removing the politics of a character is bad writing that panders to bad taste.
No, you don’t understand my point, because you think I’m talking about Superman’s “politics.” I’m talking about James Gunn’s politics and him using Superman as a mouthpiece for them. Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about. He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good. Classic moral tropes that virtually everyone supports, because without context, they’re just ideals. When you contextualize them with modern, real-world events though, they become political messaging, and that’s what I don’t like in a superhero movie.
The fuck do you think Superman is doing in the comics?
I can see you’re running out of juice, so I won’t press you further. Have a good night.
Answer the fucking question.
> Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about.
> He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good.
Damn, you a dense one huh
No, they’re saying the specific choices Gunn made with the story is politicizing it. Making it a direct, near 1-1 allegory with two major conflicts in the world right now is a touch on the nose.
… but that said, it’s still a stupid position to hold. There is a lot of bad crap going on in the world. Chances are, most scripts with Superman doing his thing would have some association to current events, since it’s set in a world close to “now” IRL.
Wanting entertainment to be devoid of modern politics yet set in current time is just silly. It takes drastically different settings to make it easy to have both a compelling story with conflict and devoid of modern politics.
No, actually, I think you just proved you’re the dense one.
“No, you are!” - You, that’s what you sound like.
That was the explicit messaging of the movie. The scene with Superman not understanding why some people might have an issue with him saving lives, to him convincing the other Heroes to throw realpolitik to the side to do the same, to Lex completely not understanding altruism. It wasn’t just wedged in. It’s was the whole point of the movie.
No, it wasn’t the whole point of the movie, it was a thinly veneered plot that mimicked and commented upon real-world events. The central themes of the film were about identity being defined by one’s choices and actions, rather than one’s genetics or parents’ wishes. Films that explicitly critique society are films like Brazil or The Manchurian Candidate, and I have no problem with them because they’re explicit in their purpose at being political commentary. Making a superhero movie that’s purpose is rebooting the DCEU and inserting a political message into it is not explicit at all.
God forbid Superman ever get involved in politics, like Smashing the KKK or warning kids about landmines.
And you can have more then one plot device in a movie. I’m actually tankful that the whole “defined by choices, not by birth” wasn’t the only plot line because I’ve seen that one countless times by now. “Kindness is punk” is a counter cultural idea by now and was refreshing to see.
I thought the movie was awful, but the message was good. The plot was just bad. The characters were so unrealistic that it was distracting. Like, the people Luthor had in his command centre. These ordinary people were eager to kill, or at least badly injure Superman? That detail needed an explanation. It wouldn’t have needed one if they hadn’t focused so much on those characters, but for some reason they were made an important part of the story.
The only really great scene in the movie was when Lois Lane grilled Superman on his intervention in the war. It was good to see a good-hearted man who was confident he had done the right thing stumble when asked hard questions.
