It’s quite common for me to be annoyed, angry, or upset at a headline writer. Then there’s the feeling I got reading “Meet the AI vegans.”
Whole new level.
Its so wacky out there. When I read something like this I’m sure its The Onion. And its not. Then I read a headline about US politics and its totally believable , alas its The Onion.
Seems to me you‘re a BS vegan.
Yeah, pretty disappointing to see from the Guardian.
This is such a stupid name for this.
Calling them after a maligned (if harmless) group seems like a choice to paint refusing to use AI as being annoying, preachy and scorn-worthy.
They seem very determined to pressure people into using AI regardless of it’s practicality, environmental impact, or anything. Fuck this shit.
There’s been recent pushes in that regard, investment in AI shit has been enormous but the financial payoff for anyone besides hardware manufacturers remains nonexistent. So investors and corporations have recently redoubled their efforts into trying to get everyone to use it in the hopes that this somehow will make them profitable.
Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That’s not how any of this works.
Awe so the article author has a vendetta against vegans got it.
“Newspaper which uses AI to write its articles concocts derogatory term for people who doesn’t use AI”
Imo vegan shouldn’t be seen as derogatory. I’m not one, but got a lot of respect for most of em.
it shouldn’t, but years of lobbying and demonization online certainly have made it so
Wow, thank you so much for sharing this. What a major blow to the Guardian’s credibility
It was short lived. It is often called the Grauniad because of poor quality typos etc. historically.
Got a source for the Guardian no longer using AGI? Given a ‘desperately trying to convince people that AI is cool’ title like this, discontinued use seems highly unlikely
I was referring to their credibility being short lived. I have no idea of their AGI usage. I’m still annoyed that when the UK Labour party had a left wing leader, they spent a lot of effort discrediting him. They’re usually crap on Israel/Palestine and have been historically pro-zionist on the UK site.
It’s not cool to use “vegan” like this.
It’s like vegangate or something.
I applaud folks like this - they make a choice and stick with it. No “I’ll never use AI to generate art but I vibe code to save time” hypocrisy. No “I use it to help me with maths, but I’d never use it to steal artistic work”.
Just straight up “it is an environmental hazard, it is unethical, not engaging”. Should be called “AI Ethicists” rather than “AI Vegans”.
Starting it with “AI” is already misleading. Whatever the noun is should be preceded by “Anti-AI.”
I dunno, the use of AI Ethicist fits as they’re not against the concept of generative AI as a whole, they’re against unethical generative AI (in terms of stolen training data and environmental harm).
If the world transitioned to a post-IP (intellectual property) society (as we need to), with AI eating less power, then AI Ethicists are unlikely to object.
Fair!
I don’t use A.I. because I’ve had nothing but negative interactions with A.I. Customer service bots that fail to give adequate responses, unhelpful and incorrect search result summaries, and, “art,” that looks like shit hasn’t made me want to sign up for ChatGPT or Gemini. For most people, this isn’t a moral stance, it’s just that the product isn’t worth paying for. Stop framing people that don’t use A.I. as luddites with an ax to grind just because tech bros spent billions on a product that isn’t good yet.
It’s fair to say that the environmental and ethical concerns are significant and I wouldn’t look down in anyone refusing to use AI for those reasons. I don’t look down on vegetarians or vegans either - I don’t have to agree with someone’s moral stance or choices to respect them.
But you’re right, LLMs are full of crap.
For most people, this isn’t a moral stance, it’s just that the product isn’t worth paying for.
Wait till you see the price of a burger in another five years.
And here i am not using it because I’m old and cranky.
I just don’t use it because it’s shit and doesn’t do anything I need any better than I can do myself in the same time.
What bullshif us this?
A. I vegan is a nonesence title.
How about " people who don’t want the world to end even faster tell corps to fuck off"
I don’t use it because I have no trust in it.
Sounds like you are not eating enough small rocks a day. You should eat 1 small rock a day.
Wtf this is the weirdest thing to read while taking a shit in the morning
This was an actual response that Google’s stupid Gemini LLM really gave somebody. The notion was lifted from a satirical Onion article which the LLM regurgitated as if it was an established fact.
We need to poison the models with more satire on the Internet.
also because it’s shit, if my memory serves me, I have successfully used AI for a productive task 1 time out of 7 attempts so far… it saved me 5 minutes
That is part of the trust thing. I spent more time fixing the word salad it spat out than it would have taken to write the document.
Yes, hand in hand…
Anecdotal of course, but every person I know who claims AI is a huge productivity booster simply trust it blindly.
I can’t even get “Copilot” to return a proper answer from its own meeting transcript… just yesterday there was some confusion about an IP address we exchanged in a past meeting… I asked Copilot to check the transcript and give me the IP of the vendor’s server (which I pointed by name of system and who spoke it in the meeting) and it gave me the IP of MY server, functionally the complete opposite of what I was asking but with full confidence in its answer
Shitty click baity title
No, I didn’t make it up. Although I rather wish I did, because it’s quite catchy, isn’t it?
No, it isn’t, it’s fucking stupid. The author was kind enough to link the source of that shitty idea, and the AI/vegan parallels are, per said article: ethical, environmental and wellness concerns.
Gee wiz, I sure never saw people with those 3 concerns in regards to anything other than veganism!!!
/s
So I’m not the only one who refuses to touch it?
Around me and everywhere it’s getting insane that it feels like there’s literally no one who hasn’t used it or use regularly for all kinds of shit.
Search sucks and the AI is faster for tech questions. Try searching a Linux cli question or obscure error. Lots of stuff from over a decade ago that are no longer relevant. And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.
And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.
Uhhh, type in AI, wait a minute and get an answer. How are you checking it?
rm - f /isn’t the only filesystem footgun.I’m finding AI to be right roughly only 60% of the time, and it’s as bad and hallucinatory about shell scripts as it is about everything else.
It will happily admit its mistakes and give you another answer when you call it out, but it’s no more likely to be right that time.
I’ve had them give me the exact same answer a second time. They politely apologized first, of course, and they were just as confident that it was correct as the first time.
Can you give an example?
“AI vegans”? I knew guardian was already bought by tech bros, but wtf is that phrasing lmao I dont use AI either, simply because it is wrong more often than not and I am still capable of googling myself, but being cautious equals to being vegan in tech bro eyes?
I don’t agree with the framing, either, but they’re drawing parallels between people not using something due to a principled moral stance. (As well as some not-so-subtle implication that these people are holier-than-thou, too.)
Seems like it. Because vegan is already seen as a ridiculouse thing and “the enemy” by the average person
