• Absaroka@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    Start with the 128 Democrats who voted with Republicans to table an impeachment vote this week.

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        Perhaps once you get preferential voting in, then primaries won’t be as necessary.

        They’re not a big thing here (Australia), because most people aren’t party members, and each party has various methods of choosing candidates.

        I’m just out here proselytising for preferential voting (for single member elections, that is).

        Good on the new york democrats for using it at a party level 👍👍👍

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    The best way to have a Dem win the general, is a healthy primary.

    If it’s not then the only way shitty Dems get out of office, is giving the seat to a Republican.

    The myth that primaries hurt in the general is a lie spread by neoliberals. It’s bad for them because if you compare a neoliberl to literally anyone that’s not a Republican, they look like a turd sandwich.

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        Screw blue. If everyone votes blue, no matter who, we still live in a fascist, capitalist country going down the drain because politicians would rather cash checks from their corporate masters than do what’s right. We need actual reform.

        Since it has to rhyme, vote progressive, not regressive?

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        Both. Vote your heart in the primary, head in the general. Whatever BS they put out is going to be better than the alternative, but if everyone shows up to primaries it might be actually decent.

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            Yeah. It got worse slower than the alternative, which is my point. If you’re losing primaries, you don’t have much of an active base. Primaries validate active bases.

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          You say that because you’re a rational person. The people he was replying to. Thought it was more important that Biden/Harris lose than trump. They ridiculed those calling for solidarity against trump. Screeching blue maga. Because they didn’t care if trump won.

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            No I misinterpreted this section of the comment as a call to action rather than pointing out the obvious.

            If it’s not then the only way shitty Dems get out of office, is giving the seat to a Republican.

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        Too late for that now, isn’t it? But vote red to end all wars and all genocide. That’ll show Joe Biden.

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    The other side is already scouring obscure precedent to use to disqualify and deport him. So while this is great news, I won’t hold my breath for any sort of actual election victory past the primary.

    Going through the motions of elections right now feels very much pointless since only someone incredibly naive would think that the right has any intention of allowing elections to matter any more.

    The sooner Americans realise that it’s Let Them Eat Cake time the sooner they can move on with guillotine o’clock.

    Peaceful protests, boycotts and sternly worded letters rely on the people you’re protesting having a sense of shame. Which the right (and most of the left) no longer have.

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      This is not nearly as true as it seems. Sustained protest and sustained cultural change can and does work.

      Hell, look at all these nazis covering their faces. You think they’re proud? Republicans in Congress are incapable of making eye contact with their co-workers. Proudly defiant my ass, these people know the score.

      Far more of them are looking to hop off that burning pile of shit than we realize, and we need to openly be a place where everybody who abandoned that loser ship for real can come join the normal people looking to stop it.

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        Yes. They are proud.

        I hate to tell you, but they’re not covering their face out of a sense of shame; they’re covering them in order to prevent retaliation from people who disagree with them. They have no shame about what they’re doing.

        If they are recognised and shunned, or refused service because of their actions, there’s no shame or self-reflection. it’s still the fault of the “damn libs”. THAT’S why they cover their faces; because they know they’re actions are unpopular and will get them retaliated against.

        But knowing their actions are unpopular doesn’t mean for a second that they’re ashamed of those actions. On the contrary, the fuckers are proud to be doing Trumps dirty work.

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        So after 8 more years of walking around with signs and nothing happening, can we please try moving atoms around in physical reality to enact change in physical reality?

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    Let’s show them what “woke” really means. We are awake. And we see what they have been doing. And we are going to stop it.

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    I’ve been kind of confused about this whole thing. In the US, are even mayoral elections Democrat VS Republican? What happens if more than two people want to run for mayor?

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      This was a primary election so both major parties were fielding several candidates. The reality is no Republican is getting elected in NYC as long as we have free and fair elections in the USA so the democratic primary winner is the most likely person to win in November when the general election is held.

      You are not obligated to run under a party in US elections. It just makes it easier to win.

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        My concern is that Cuomo is planning to run as an independent and my pessimism is telling me that somehow he might win. I mean no one thought Trump would win in 2016 or again in 2024, but here we are.

        But the part of me that wants something to hold on to is desperately optimistic that this might be the start of the change.

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          If Cuomo runs as independent, I don’t think he comes close to winning but he definitely splits the vote which could push this Republican. Does the NY Mayoral race also use rank choice? If it does then evething should still be fine.

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      It depends. Some cities do nonpartisan elections (usually with some form of “jungle primary”), some cities do partisan ones. For the ones with partisan elections, there are often more than two parties, but parties other than the Republicans and Democrats rarely have a shot at office.

      NY has a unique system in that it has a lot of parties, but many of them just endorse a candidate from one of the big 2 parties rather than running their own. This is why Cuomo isn’t entirely out of this thing yet, unfortunately; he conceded the Democratic nomination, but he still has the nomination from the Fight and Deliver party (which he, himself, founded specifically for this election) and may choose to continue to run as their candidate instead of dropping out.

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      It depends on the city. Mine (Madison, WI) doesn’t officially list any party affiliation for mayor or city alders. We also use a runoff election system, so we’re not stuck on two parties for local things.

      In practice, candidates are often backed and/or endorsed by some political parties. Common ones are Progressive Dane (county level party) or Working Families (which has national reach and is basically a socialist party working within the Democratic party). When they move up to state or federal seats, they usually join the Democrats while continuing to work with the Working Families party.

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      Yes, very much so. Each party has their candidate. Some states might let multiple members of the same party run, and there have certainly been instances where people have run unopposed for certain offices, but generally most elected positions in the US are partisan.

      It has been a key Republican strategy for several decades now to control as many states governorship as they can manage because it allows them to do things like gerrymandering and to pass state policies that favor Republicans.

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        That’s sad to hear honestly. I thought city politics would be the one place Americans could escape the two party BS