Russia has moved to classify key demographic statistics following a dramatic collapse in its birth rate, which has plunged to levels not seen since the late 18th or early 19th century, according to a leading Russian demographer.
For decades, Russia has been experiencing a plunging birth rate and population decline, which appears to have worsened amid its ongoing invasion of Ukraine—with high casualty rates and men fleeing the country to avoid being conscripted to fight.
Projections estimate that Russia’s population will fall to about 132 million in the next two decades. The United Nations has predicted that in a worst-case scenario, by the start of the next century, Russia’s population could almost halve to 83 million.
…Wow.
So what’s the tankie angle to this? From that perspective, the war is objectively awful for Russia, even if all the stated war goals are true.
The beloved and benevolent putin is merely protecting the country from the overpopulation seen in the west.
So what’s the tankie angle to this?
“Sure this news is bad, but what about this non sequitur?”
“see! Putin is pro environment! Less people is better!”
Ah, the Genghis Khan defence. Bold move!
“Can’t have racism if there are no remaining races!”
war is always bad for the working class. nothing new here.
Tankie angle: Any nation that becomes wealthy has the issue of declining birth rates. Putin is just soooooooooo great of a leader, he made every single Russian a trillionaire over night. Everything is better under Putin. Why can’t you see the objective truth? Russia is better than any other nation. That’s why I live in Europe and never intend to return. I don’t see the problem here. Banned for being a reactionary pig. Give money to me.
The takeaway is that the already catastrophic demographic issues they were facing are becoming pointedly worse because of how they’re conducting the war, amongst other things
Are you really claiming that sending healthy young men into the meat grinder is detrimental to birth rates? No wonder why they need to kidnap Ukranian children.
I don’t think they need to, they just recognized an opportunity to get better children without having to figure out how to make better ones themselves.
It’s all a consequence of Western decadence, of course.
Kinda rough to have babies if most of your men are being turned into fertilizer.
Russian meat to sunflower oil pipeline
Invades the breadbasket of Europe, accidentally makes their crops even better.
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I promise you, the last thing on the minds of Russian women in this moment is climate change
yeah! that’s what I am thinking too, have been for years now. but at the same time babies are booming in the area (not russia, but east eu) so obviously a lot of people think differently.
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Could you elaborate on running out of water?
Some parts of the globe is going to run out of water, some areas of the globe are about to get way too much of it. You know, climate change and all that.
Well, shit. Hopefully they’re fixing this!
Don’t worry, I check resin codes before recycling. Maybe I should remove the labels though, do you think it’ll help?
it’s this stupid doomerism that thinks that we will run out of drinkable water and start wars.
There’s good science that drinkable water is indeed in danger but the doomers ignore the fact that all of this argues about the price of water not the existance of drinkable water. It’ll be more expensive, but the market will create new technologies to filter and desalite water so eventually it’ll balance out.
In fact, this might be a net good as currently water treatment technology has no investments because water is so plentiful. This means poor regions where water is actually a problem now will get this technology and some balance will be restored to the world.
How is this magic technology going to be freely implemented eveywhere and especially in the poorest parts of the world? You description of the mechanisms of invention and investing does not sound at all like how these things actually works in the world we are living in.
I’m genuinely confused by your question. The same way all technology is being delivered? The bigger research market the cheaper is the product and water treatment is no different.
Our top scientists are not solving water issues because there’s no market for it. African people who go 10km one way to the well don’t have the funding to fund this and in the grand scale of things this is such a small issue that it gains no attention and it’s easier to patch it with temporary solutions and existing inefficient technologies than to invent new stuff.
This is a very well known problem in the charity scene that applies way beyond this water issue and it’s not some secret issue that nobody knows about it.
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According to this…: https://www.chunkerowaterplant.com/news/water-desalination-cost-per-gallon The cost of desalination per gallon of seawater is “approximately $0.005 to $0.01”
I would assume people would figure it’s cheaper to pay that cost than to fight wars over it. Most of the planet is covered in water. Like with food, these resource shortages are largely political. The hardest part is removing these power hungry parasites from power. Immense suffering is endured all because of these few billionaire pieces of radioactive shit.
You’re building a straw man that is unrelated to the issue at hand. Sure rich hoarding and political issues are bad but we will not run out of water. Period.
Context will tell you that we’re talking about losing access to water. If people won’t procreate because they don’t have water, it makes no difference if it’s because we are literally all out of water or if someone else is hoarding it all. In both cases, there’s no access to water.
Tell that to a river that got depleted by half in a decade or two, along with dying sole (edit: soil) around. Either we do something or next generations won’t live well, rich or not
“people are still starving” is an argument so bad as “there is still cancer” and “there are still traffic accidents”. Those issues are not boolean, the are quantifiable and are going down at a very optimistic rate.
Yeah every new technological solution has its associated ecological cost. Some are better than others. Guess which ones are the most profitable.
There’s something called the Kuznets environmental curve that explains this pretty intuitively. It’s an optimistic forecast that I only buy when I’m in a good mood.
Uuuuuuuh what?!?!
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will it get worse.
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Sigh… putin is leting china leech russia. Putin is a sellout putting russians into misery with his personal obsession to increase russia territories and colonies.
Russia is the last colonial empire, still expanding territories in this day and age.
Even russian women don’t like russians.
No one wants their children to grow up in a corrupt Oligarchy.
yea putin, fuck the world up and then complain that people are not making kids. we will all die in our own filth when the infrastructure collapses and you can wipe your ass with all that money and power
If AI and robots will take over so many jobs, why is a declining birthrate a bad thing, in the long term?
because all wars are a war of attrition. the country with the largest military or the deepest pockets always wins.
I don’t think ruzies are worried about technologies they can’t even afford.
If they classify it, it means it’s a lot worse. Ukraine should send more steriliser over to russia.
Ukraine didn’t cause Russian men to lose their balls, they gave those up willingly.
Fewer Russians is excellent news, not every culture needs to stick around forever.
I wonder whether people would downvote this if it was Nazis in 1940s huh
Aaah yes “Smakalka”
Yep always silence the messenger, that’ll fix it! 👍
it’s working so far no? literally zero opposition for putin
There’s still a problem. You’re just not measuring it anymore.
So, no, it’s very much not fucking working.
That’s not a good look…
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You’re literally rooting for the extinction of an ethnicity. Don’t conflate a people with their government. The folks in the Twin Towers did not deserve to die, regardless of all the horrible things their goverment has done. The folks at the October 7th festival did not deserve to die, regardless of the horrible things their government has done. Russians do not deserve to go extinct, regardless of the horrible things their government has done. Please try to keep your genocidal tendencies in check.
The population are not absolved of responsibility
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/23538
Stop being an enabler.
So you’re saying October 7th was a good thing? And you’re saying that Ukraine deserved to be invaded on account of the 1919 pogroms? I strongly disagree, and I think you’re a ghoul for advocating such things.
Wow. Another illiterate. Learn how to read.
How about you consider that the majority of Israel approves of the treatment of Palestinians, or that in 1919 the pogroms enjoyed popular support, or that the majority of Americans supported the gulf wars. How about you don’t throw bricks when you live in a glass house, you genocidal moron.
Yes yes, “just doing my job, not my fault” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
So are you saying Americans deserved 9/11? Because I disagree with that.
Oh we are now upvoting posts that condemn a whole culture as evil. Very classy Lemmy.
Evil like raping your subordinates on the battlefield or evil like kidnapping children and cultural genocide? Or evil like sit on your hands and allow your rulers to destroy you and world security for hundreds of years?
I wonder would you say the same thing about Nazis in 1940s
Great example, I wouldn’t call the whole of german culture evil because of the third Reich.
I guess we disagree then cause I’d absolute call 1940s German culture evil.
Were they under orders to rape corpses or does that come natural
