Giuliani went from RICO charge prosecutor to a defendant in Fulton County DA Fani Willis’ RICO case over Trump’s alleged 2020 election interference.
If Giuliani had retired from public life in the years after 9/11 he would have had a positive entry in the history of the USA.
Now?
Well…
The praise he received after 9/11 was how I first heard his name. Shining example of “You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
My sister lived in New York for a decade before 9/11. You do not want to know what the New Yorkers thought of Guiliani.
Yep. The guy has always been a total tool all his life. 9/11 gave him a positive reaction for people outside NYC.
All a politician really needed at the time was a half way decent speech pandering to patriotism and you were remembered for being a strong leader at the time.
The fact that you said “at the time” twice makes it impossible not to read your comment in a thick Sopranos accent.
Very Observant. The sacred and the propane.
I mean… they voted for him. More than once. He was mayor from 1994 to 2001.
I do actually. Please tell.
I have always felt this expression only applies to those who strive to be heros.
It probably applies to those who strive to be villains too.
what’s hilarious is he wasn’t really all that good of a mayor. he constantly got in the way of the 9/11 response, constantly fucked people over as a prosecuter, etc. The only noteworthy “good” thing he did was be mayor of a a city, when that city became the site of the worst terrorist attack in US history.
hahahahahaha, Fulton County Georgia is gonna get and release mug shots on every single one of these motherfuckers, and the court cases are going to be televised, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
I wonder if they’ll sell collections of mugs, with the mugshots on them.
Donnie has wet dreams about a televised trial. It’s just another stage to him. He’ll mug the judiciary and the left will draw back in horror and the right will cheer him.
And the legal system will be left even weaker than it was before.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
"The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. "
So a question from a non-American …. How likely is any of this to lead to actual conviction/incarceration?
What’s the feeling in the country? Is this all just likely to be brushed off?
Most of them, Trumps guilt is almost assured. However if he elected president again, he can pardon himself for his own crimes.
These Georgia charges are very likely to land a conviction, at least on som of them. And as president trump cannot pardon any of these crimes.
I personally doubt we will see any jail time for any of them. Maybe a house arrest or something of that nature.
House arrest with no internet would be enough for me. Probably the worst punishment trump could get tbh
Take his golf clubs, his reputation and his adoring crowds.
But let him see the world move on without him.
It’s enough to break a man like trump.
Terrifying that we’re in this state tbh. Those in power really do just get away with it …
I think this one has the potential to stick. Not just because it’s a state charge that can be easily pardoned. But I think it tells a story that even Conservatives in the South can relate to: a bunch of elites from the North storming in and acting like they’re the ones in charge.
I suppose the fear is we will get a jury, in Georgia, where I suppose there is a high chance to get a MAGA fanatic, and you only need one asshole to sabotage the entire trial. This is always the risk with all jury selections, and the lawyers are very aware of this when they do voir dire
IANAL
I put conviction for some felony at 99% going to real prison at 1%. There are so much that can go into this. Years of appeals, pardons, arguments for house arrest, etc.
Takes one to know one
The definition of Irony.
It’s like rain on your wedding day, It’s a RICO case when your hair dye wont dry 🎵
So much schadenfreude right now. It’s about damn time.
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