So glad I built my pc last fall. Fuck all this bullshit and everyone that voted for it.
Or didnt vote against it
How surprising is this really, considering we’re still paying COVID-inflated prices for most things after COVID came and went, and was gone, and is still gone, and it’s a couple years later and it’s fucking gone.
Anyone underselling the stupidity of this tariff shit is just as stupid as trump.
Ok. The bottom line is, either it “won’t do all that much”-- meaning it won’t affect prices, it won’t affect the economy, it’ll be basically useless–or it will be disastrously expensive for ordinary people. There is no other option. The “disastrously expensive for ordinary people” is the only thing that will cause any amount of the change Trump promises: it’s the mechanism by which the plan operates.
There is no option where companies just eat the tariff costs, or countries pay them. Maybe a few scattered companies and countries do, but by and large, not a chance.
Every country in the world needs all the other countries more than all of the other countries need it. There’s just no real leverage, because we’re all interconnected; you can snip one country out, and it’ll slightly hurt everyone, but it’ll wreck the country that was snipped out.
because we’re all interconnected; you can snip one country out, and it’ll slightly hurt everyone, but it’ll wreck the country that was snipped out
Conservatives will NEVER understand this.
They will if the conservative media machine falls apart and they start actually seeing reality.
It’s possible…someday…maybe…
Every country in the world needs all the other countries more than all of the other countries need it. There’s just no real leverage, because we’re all interconnected; you can snip one country out, and it’ll slightly hurt everyone, but it’ll *wreck* the country that was snipped out.
This is just such an absolutely perfect summary. I wish we could American politicians to speak this clearly to explain why this is such a bad idea.
You’re very kind, thank you.
That’s true if all other things were equal, but they’re not. The US is the largest economy in the world, based on GDP, so it has a lot more weight to swing around than others. So theoretically, the US should have more leverage than smaller countries.
That said, I don’t think the US has enough leverage to get away with this. Retaliatory tariffs will come and the net result is that trade in all regions will suffer. When you tax something, you get less of it…
The US might be able to get some leverage if we had an economist in power w/ strong diplomacy skills, but we have Trump.
Yeah, the US has a lot of economic weight to swing around, but the world has also spend the decade (!) since Trump was first elected finding other business outlets and generally needing the US less, meaning that the relative weight of the US and the rest of the world has normalized significantly. The EU is stronger, China is stronger, Canada is stronger. The US withdrawing from the world economy would hurt everyone, but it would hurt the US a whole lot more than everyone else.
Maybe, but I think you’re overselling the EU a bit. Yeah, there have been some high profile changes (in terms of stuff that makes the media), but I wonder how much that actually matters.
The EU hasn’t really ever been a big importer of US goods anyway, at least not for decades. The biggest importers of US products are Mexico, China, and Canada. The US imports a fair amount from the EU, so if they retaliate with tariffs of their own, the US will just buy less from them, which will hurt the EU more than the US.
The US will have a bunch of negatives in the short term too, but I guess we’ll see if those are permanent or just represent a shifting in trade partners.
Oh, to be clear, I don’t think the US has been dethroned on the world stage in terms of being the largest single elephant in the room. It’s just that the weight between the US elephant and all the other elephants (combined) has evened out quite a lot.
These tariffs might well do a lot to swing that even further.
They absolutely could. What matters is what other countries do in response.
As an American, I’m not happy right now because things are more expensive without a good reason. Tariffs just end up being a hidden sales tax, and that sucks. We don’t need more manufacturing jobs here unless we can do it cheaper or better. Keep good paying jobs here and send the lower paying jobs where they’ll be appreciated.
I’m also an American. And I am frankly livid about the tariffs.
The internet is about to feel a lot slower for us as more services move offshore to flee the taxes.
And also as net neutrality is gutted and the oligarchs ensure internet fast and slow lanes.
Translation: Stupid Americans Vote For Felon Rapist Traitor To Increase Cost Of Living
I’ve been looking into producing Semiconductor Grade Silicone Powder but I haven’t been able to decide between the Plasma, CVD, or more traditional furnace with reduction agent methods without knowing their operational costs. It would be kind of out of my price range to test each of them.
I can run some basic numbers if anybody knows a good industrial catalogue for the equipment.
Not sure how related it is, but in Canada, I’m seeing HDD and SSD prices generally being “on sale” for the regular prices from last year (same specs and everything!)
I’m already seeing some huge increases on ic chips online here…
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