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    Nobody at Tesla headquarters voted to alienate their customer base. No board meeting decided to turn their electric car company into a political lightning rod.

    This is technically not true. The board keeps Elon Musk on as CEO of Tesla, and they granted him the biggest bonus package ever, while he was already very controversial and clearly was losing his mind, because they thought he would be able to make them money.

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      You’re right, that’s not just technically untrue. The board voted with their wallet, by giving him even more money than ever, so he could continue doing what he is doing. The people on the board wouldn’t give a shit if only Nazis buy their cars, as long as there’s enough of them to keep buying.

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        Well joke’s on them though, because it seems Musk has found a way to tap US citizens directly, so he probably doesn’t even care much about Tesla anymore now that it is failing.

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            It is and if he loses that wealth I’m pretty sure he is getting kicked to the street. He has no other skills that aren’t readily available by folks who aren’t utterly unstable drug addled dipshits.

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      You are 100% correct. They knowingly doubled down on him. They can all ride his coattails straight to hell.

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    Will he really need customers much longer? I mean it seems like he can just have any government agency replace their fleet with his trash in the name of “efficiency”.

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      Apparently a big part of Tesla’s business is selling carbon credits to other automakers… Which relies on them having a certain number of EV sales. If they drop below a threshold, then they can’t sell those credits anymore.

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    Remember 2015? A Tesla parked in your driveway told your neighbours that you valued innovation, that you possessed an environmental conscience, that you had a stake in the future of the planet. The cars weren’t perfect, but they meant something. They represented hope - for clean energy, EVs, and a world beyond fossil fuels.

    This was me years go. I knew climate change was real and an imminent threat. I wanted to vote with my wallet for a cleaner future. I also wanted to strike a blow against the National Automotive Dealers Association for their regressive practices that hurt consumers and drive prices for cars higher for everyone. Buying a Tesla did those things. I charge the car on sunlight from my house. I don’t have to support the petroleum industry’s damage to environment and people around the world. I was proud to be doing something rather than just talking about needs for changes against climate change.

    Musk doesn’t get any of my money from this car. I don’t pay for any of the Tesla monthly services. I’m don’t want to be seen driving with a Tesla logo on the car. I’m ashamed that my good intentions funded a fascist.

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      There is no shame in your ownership of the vehicle based on your intentions; I would humbly assert that anger is a more appropriate reaction to the current leadership of the company that made it. If strangers judge you, that’s on them.

      If I had had the means to purchase one 10+ years ago, I would have. Most people who claim they wouldn’t are not being honest with themselves or disapproved of the virtue signaling associated with them at the time.

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        Oh yea, when Teslas first started appearing, I loved their whole philosophy and really wanted one.

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      This is me too. I have two of them bought and paid for and people just don’t get it: I went all in on this and you can just sell for 15% of purchase price, I still have mobility needs. More to the point my swasticar still has access to the best charging network on the market and even if I COULD just sell, it’s not cut and dry. It’s easy to shit on Tesla, but it’s still the best offering in the EV market for long range driving. And even if it was not, like fuck me I can’t time travel. Most people who flame have no idea what the actual hell they are talking about.

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      It’s crystal clear to me that Tesla played an important role at a key time, and pivoted the industry. The technology to do so had been there for a while but they lacked the will and they needed an innovator to scare them into action. Tesla did that. However, that role is now complete. I am flabbergasted that anyone still values this stock. Even setting aside this recent downturn in sales due to their brand going necrotic, they were already overmatched by the flood of competition coming their way. If major manufacturers don’t eat Tesla’s lunch, Chinese upstarts will. They can’t survive. They won’t survive. Even their supposed software advantage on self-driving has turned out to be a fraud, and the Simpertruck is a high profile failure. I’m glad that the stock hasn’t died yet though, because the rest of the world is still completing the transition to EVs, and the death of Tesla might put a chill on that. But in a few years, yeah, Tesla will blow away on the wind like so much dust.

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      Musk still gets some money if you ever need parts. I had to replace the heater and went to non tesla shop. Unfortunately, he wasn’t able to get a used heater so I had to buy a new part.

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    We all know what’s going to happen, Elon just going to get a “government contract”, where he can make it so that teslas will be the main vehicle manufacturer for government.

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    Well VW is still around. Maybe Teslas will be classic cars in 80 years.

    /s: They will all self immolate.

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      VWs never randomly caught fire. And also they don’t look like if Transformers could somehow breed, but had an abortion.

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      You can fellate Winnie the Pooh on your own time. It comes with its own whole set of problems.

      Edit: Come at me tankies. You’re morons for giving a single dollar to the CCP.

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    8% drop in car sales isn’t great but I think the article is overselling the idea that the company is straight up dying. (Sadly) Most people just don’t make a connection between how they spend their money and the politics of the people they prop up.

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      Tesla is definitely dying unless they can turn this around quickly.
      Surplus capacity is expensive, and I bet they are already operating at a loss. And turning around a bad reputation is hard.
      Their models are dated, the cheap Tesla is cancelled, the Cybertruck is a catastrophic fiasco, and the model Y has already lost a lot of popularity, so even a new mode already said to be mostly a facelift, is unlikely to make a huge difference.
      The drop in sales in January in EU is 50%, and they are losing market share in China and USA too. So I think the actual drop is higher now than 8%.
      Note that for Nissan a 5% drop last year was called catastrophic!! And their survival is also questioned, and they are way bigger than Tesla.

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        To your list add that new Tesla sales are also competing against an increasing number of Tesla owners who now want to divest themselves of the brand.

        More used Teslas on the market will only push down the market rates and thus profits of new Teslas even further.

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          Good point, the article states a Tesla that only had 10k miles on it, had dropped in value by about 40%!!
          With such low mileage cars on the used market so cheap, Tesla will absolutely be competing against their own used cars.

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    Everyone forgets where the German cars, Henry Ford, etc came from politically.

    I was looking into my first EV, and politics just didn’t weigh that much into the decision. Now, the “infotainment as a perpetual service”, that turned me off and away from Tesla. With CarPlay my car dash will never lose service, and will always be free to use with updates from Apple/Google. I can’t imagine why people would ever pay for their infotainment when CarPlay is better or equal in all cases to the alternative.

    That said, if Tesla and other brands were equally weighted in my purchase decision, I’d then happily rule Tesla out based on merit.

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      Are either Ford or Mercedes currently run by Nazis? Can the average person on the street name the CEO of either of them?

      The problem with Tesla is that everyone hates the guy who has made himself the face of the company at a time when there are plenty of alternatives.

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        The issue is that the alternatives generally aren’t that much better in a vacuum. Infotainment vs Tesla infotainment (removing the CarPlay merits): It’s not even close. Tesla is like 10-15 years ahead of everything else on the US market in their price range. Car manufacturers famously lock in their tech and designs something like 3 years before public release.

        Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.

        Do you want to tow anything more than 1000Kg? Good luck outside of Tesla.

        NACS? Not one single other car available yet.

        Do you want a dashcam? Rivian is the only other brand, IIRC.

        I’m not apologizing for Tesla, but it’s really painful how awful all other cars are compared to the competition.

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          Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.

          I just got a new electric Kia and I don’t give the slightest shit about updates. In fact I would prefer no updates for fear it would make the great car I have worse. And no way in hell will I ever give Dotard Musk any of my money,