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    Back when I worked at IBM, there were a bunch of flags hanging in the cafeteria that represented every country where IBM did business. We often wondered, why wasn’t there a Nazi Germany flag? After all, IBM did sell a ton of machines to the Nazis to keep track of Jews and other undesirables, in order to commit genocide. I wonder why IBM wouldn’t want people to know about that? /s

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_World_War_II

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      “In February 2001, an Alien Tort Claims Act claim was filed in U.S. federal court on behalf of concentration camp survivors against IBM. The suit accused IBM of allegedly providing the punched card technology that facilitated the Holocaust, and for covering up German IBM subsidiary Dehomag’s activities.”

      Sadly, a majority of the lawsuits brought up against IBM in connection with it’s dark past get dropped.

  • On a similar note Deutsche Bank literally funded the Nazis and to this day is still doing shady shit like the numerous money laundering scandals and also being involved in the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking scandal. For each of those, including funding the Nazis, they merely got a slap on the wrist as they’re literally still allowed to exist as one of the top 10 biggest banks of Europe.

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    Fun fact: The grandmother of the current BMW owner Gabriele Quandt was literally Magda Goebbels. No, seriously.

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      Considering BMW is one of the worse profiteers from WW2 it probably classifies as satire or something else art related!

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        Yeah but facts like that hurt Germans too much, they get all uncomfortable about history.

        They want all that profit and tech, but no shame about how it was obtained

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          This is not at all a view that is based in reality, Germany has made it mandatory in their curriculum to learn about the atrocities committed by the Nazis in the war and bring the schools to concentration camps to drive home the depravity of their history.

          What a bullshit take. Germany is noted for how they have handled their history, in stark contrast to Japan who do not acknowledge the atrocities they committed and shy away from public knowledge of them.

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            Iirc I’m pretty sure they haven’t apologized for all the horrible shit Unit 731 did to the Chinese and actively go out of their way to pretend stuff like the Rape of Nanking never happened.

            I normally would say to look them up, but this one of the rare cases that I would say to do so if you can stomach reading some of the most disgusting shit.

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              When I was doing history in Year 11 & 12 (junior and senior?) I had this incredibly strict, serious teacher. He was known throughout the school for his intensity, and his lack of tolerance for bullshit. When we covered the Rape of Nanking, he had gone through and sharpied out a paragraph on a handout. He told us that he wouldn’t normally try to shield his students from a part of history, but that this particular part was incredibly distressing.

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            How many executives and shareholders were convicted for their crimes? Did any profits get dislodged? Seems like people who benefit front these crimes are still holding nice bags of profits and assets.

            Also, you glossed over how BMW and other corps would import slaves to work their factories. Do they teach that in German schools or just topics in vogue like camps?

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              It’s taught in schools, and anyway, you’re glossing over the fact that the poster above proved your claim wrong (Germans are all uncomfortable with their history), which is just plain false.

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              You make it sound as if everyone got off easy. Ww2 is the reason we’re going after war criminals in the first place. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials

              This didn’t exist prior to WW2. While there certainly there are many, that didn’t face any punishment or got to keep their benefits, there also have been those that got punished. The allies had to form a new state and rebuilt and most available personnel had worked in the administration or economy of nazi Germany before and was guilty to some degree. There was nobody else and times were changing fast. A new conflict was on the horizon and life had to go on. So they had to work with what they had.

              Mistakes were made but this has never been done before. Punishing a whole country and its people is what made the Nazis possible and successful in the first place. I’d not be so sure it would be done any different today. I’d say we’d probably struggle even more and fumble the whole thing even harder.

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          That’s not true at all, Germans make a big effort in remembering what they did and making sure it keeps being remembered.

          As opposed to my country, Italy, where the attitude after the fall of Mussolini was “uh, oh well”.

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            Let’s just not talk about it was very common practice for like 40 years after the war in Germany, too. But today it’s a totally different story (luckily). Can’t be remembered enough especially when looking at the political directions the western world is heading to right now…

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            Italians get the flair “side switcher” in the awesome subreddit 2WesternEurope4u. Probably the main thing I miss about Reddit.