Former President Donald Trump was indicted for an unprecedented third time on August 1, adding another set of serious federal charges to the mounting legal issues he faces.
Trump pushed the big lie that the election was stolen. Trump lost in the courts[1](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/us/elections/trump-campaign-lawsuits.html) including the Supreme Court.[2](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55283024) Then he tried to pressure state officials.[3](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/01/03/trump-pressured-georgia-election-official-call-washington-post-report-says/4119948001/) He tried to pressure Pence.[4](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/trump-pressures-pence-election-results-455069)
So what does Trump do after exhausting all nonviolent methods of overturning the election? He turns to his supporters and lights them up making inflammatory statements such as;
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We are going to fight for the survival of the nation.
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Now is not the time to retreat, its to fight harder.
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We will never give in, never back down, never surrender.
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We will fight like hell.
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You have to get your people to fight.
He primed them for weeks.
State officials had started getting death threats weeks before the attempted insurrection following the general election.[5](https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/01/940961602/someones-going-to-get-killed-ga-official-blasts-gop-silence-on-election-threats) Trump saw first hand what violence was being created as his supporters rioted and vandalized black churches in Washington back in December.[6](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2020/12/13/black-churches-vandalized-four-stabbed-dozens-arrested-at-pro-trump-rallies-in-washington.html)
Trump didn’t stop his incitement after the initial violence, he got more specific. He told his supporters how, when, and where. He gave them 18 days notice inviting them to the rally telling them to be there, that it will be wild.[7](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-mob-trump-supporters.html) And on the day of the insurrection Trump told his supporters to march on the Capitol and fight like hell.
Following the riot Trump continued to promote the big lie that had incited the insurrection. After the mob was dispersed, Trump praised and sympathized with the mob in a video he released, claiming once again that the election had been stolen.[8](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-you-feel-draws-bipartisan-condemnation-11609977209) Then he praised the insurrection in a tweet after the mob had been dispersed. He told his mob to remember Jan. 6 forever. He said that he loved the insurrectionists and that the violent mob were special people.
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New York Times - Over 30 Trump Campaign Lawsuits Have Failed. Some Rulings Are Scathing.
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BBC - US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
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Politico - Trump pressures Pence to throw out election results — even though he can’t
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Wall Street Journal - Trump Tells Rioters, ‘I Know How You Feel,’ Draws Bipartisan Condemnation
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Could it be? PoppinKREAM on lemmy?!
Pardon my unculturedness but who is PoppinKREAM?
He posted tons of these news roundups with citations on Reddit.
I think I heard that Poppinkream is a woman. I’m so happy to see them on Lemmy.
My understanding is that PoppinKREAM is a type of doughnut.
I thought it was what happens to popcorn when I get super horny…
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Damn, always good to see PK.
Please accept this Official Lemmy Gold® for the best post I’ve seen so far on Lemmy:
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My “favorite” but was when he heard that some of them had weapons that were denied access, and he angrily told his staff to let the weapons into the capital, because they weren’t coming to hurt him.
Should mention also Trump pressed the capitol police not tk use metal detectors on the crowd and his supporters cached weapons a nearby hotel.
This was part of their “1776 plan” to seize control of government buildings including the Supreme Court and State Depsrtment, not only the Capitol.
Yeah, and his horrible remark about that:
'I don’t fucking care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me
PoppinKREAM!
False equivalency fallacy.
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When he is behind bars then I’ll celebrate. Until then. The battle for our democracy continues….
Even after he is behind bars. Crazy as it sounds, he can run for President from prison.
Not very effectively, but he can run.
One presidential candidate got 3.4% (more than all 3rd party candidates in 2020 combined) of the vote (over 1million votes) as a third party candidate while in prison in 1920.
Eugene V Debs. The best president the US never had.
o7
One of the few upsides of my living in Terre Haute, Indiana is that I can say I live in the same town Debs was from. They have a nice museum here dedicated to him in his former home. If you’re passing through Indiana, I do recommend an hour or two to see it. Bernie Sanders made sure to stop there during his 2016 campaign, if you need an endorsement.
Who is this
Eugene V Debs, a communist that ran for US president from his prison cell, securing 3.4% of the vote. Also the former state representative of Indiana.
man I want that as a tattoo now
I kinda cried reading these.
Weird. I’ve heard of Americans losing their right to vote when imprisoned and yet they could run for office?
Probably just an overlooked aspect, it woulf be too much of a pain to run for office while im prison. Even for a lot of the rich and powerful.
Might depend on why he’s there.
Agreed.
This will amount to nothing, just like all the rest.
There are many who choose not to celebrate until the Orange One has had “actual repercussions”.
Me? Well…
To each their own. 🥂🍻🍸🍷
Yep, I get why some would be pessimistic after years of nothing happenning to the man, but this is kinda it. I mean, what else do people expect, no due process and straight to prison? This is the worst actual outcome for him right now, and possibly the best for America. I figure he could be considered a flight risk and be put in jail pending process, but I figure this would be a worst outcome for America, considering his deathcult. You’re 2 fox news articles away from them claiming be died in jail and resurrected like Jesus.
For me, he has to either die, or be banned from holding any political position again.
The level of incredibly pissed me off.
He’s garbage, and needs to be treated as such.
The Jan 6 stuff might not stick, and even if it does his supporters have plenty of mental hoops they can jump through to justify.
Those classified documents though… he ain’t getting out of any of those. He fucked up big time with that bullshit. He’s going down for it hard.
It’s about more than Jan 6. It’s about an attempt to replace the electoral college with phonies. Jan 6 was just the most public part of the plan.
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I just keep imagining that he’s currently crying into a big mac right now. “Do you think they have Diet Coke in prison?”
“MY HAMBERDERS!!! 😭”
Lets celebrate both now and then 🍸 🍹 🥂 🍾
¡Salud! 🍾
What a dingdong he is. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail.
I know this is a common sentiment amongst a lot of people, but the reality is he will never see prison time before he dies of old age. He will do everything in his power to draw it out and when he can’t he will flee the country
dies of old age
That could be tomorrow.
Well one can hope I suppose, hope is still free, lol.
Problem is, he’s losing a lot of that power now. He doesn’t have many friends in high places these days, even the supreme court has done things to rule against him. I don’t doubt he’ll try to draw it out, but ultimately it’s not up to him anymore.
Flee the country, my left asshole. Wtf are you on about? He’s charged under the espionage act.
Big Papa Putin may not be in a position to offer him safe harbor for very much longer.
I wonder though, everyone keep saying no prison because of the SS, ex-president and all, but what mecanism would actually prevent the court from going there? Like, if the judge goes for prison or death penalty, what is gonna happen exactly? What branch of the government, and who exactly would block it, assuming the judge gives no fucks?
It’s not possible for him to receive the death penalty for these charges, the max is 20 years per count. On top of that, the fed doesn’t have the death penalty anymore, as far as I understand.
That being said, it is very possible he will go to prison in some fashion. Of course he will never be with the gen pop, but just because he has an SS detail doesn’t mean he can’t go to prison. Also, it could be possible to strip him of the detail, but I’m pretty sure that will be figured out if the time comes.
Isn’t that possible if he’s judged responsible of the deaths on Jan6?
*They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. *
While that may be the explicit language for the charge, the feds don’t really tend to execute people in the modern post-Gregg era, with a notable exception: Donald Trump restarted executions from the feds when he took office. So, slight correction to my OP. I guess it would be possible, but I highly doubt the US Government would do something as drastic as executing a previous president.
On a personal level here, I am 100% against the death penalty. Even for fucks like this. What’s worse, death, or living your final years in a concrete box and dying there instead? I’d much rather people like him get lost in their own thoughts.
His Secret Service detail won’t allow that to happen.
What does it mean to be indicted?
It means he’s going to be tried for his crimes.
It means he will be tried to see if he committed any crimes.
We aren’t the media here. We don’t have to play the “innocent until proven guilty or else he’ll sue us” game. The man clearly committed the crimes. He did it on national television. You can watch him tell people to “fight like hell” and tell them to march to the Capitol. It is an indisputable fact that he then did nothing to stop the insurrection until hours later.
Why the hell do you need a judge to rule to determine that he’s a criminal? The judge is there to tell us what, if any, punishment he’ll get.
This is just like people claiming he isn’t a rapist because the ruling in the Carroll case didn’t explicitly call it rape, when any reasonable person with a basic understanding of what rape is would understand that it’s rape even if that doesn’t fit the strict legal definition.
Trump is a criminal. He hoarded documents. He showed classified information to people who were not qualified to see it. He raped at least one woman. He fomented an insurrection. He tried to rig an election.
And you want a guilty verdict before admitting all of that? SMH.
The next republican president or governor in states where he is convicted at state level will just pardon everything.
The constitution, rule of law, and will of the people means nothing to people who just want power.
This is a federal case
No it’s a clear case for increasing our education budget 😉
I am so relieved that the special prosecutor is defending the rule of law with these indictments. If the Republicans (and not just Trump) got away with trying to overturn the election we could lose our democracy. We still can, but at least they are going to trial against this would-be tyrant and some of the people who helped him.
Look at that man’s face.
The living embodiment of everything I despise about my own self, distilled and propped up, for us all to marvel at. What a time to be alive.
Dear aliens,
I’m sorry. My species is a stain upon an otherwise beautiful nothing.
Bet nothing is going to come of it, just like last time.
What do you mean “just like last time?” That hasn’t even gone to trial yet.
The last time he was indicted? This is the 3rd time.
Correct. “The last time he was indicted” hasn’t come to a resolution yet, nor will it until at least next year. Saying nothing came of it is a dumbass take, to put it gently.
How long has it been? Honestly, if anything were to happen, it would’ve happened already.
Wrong, please learn how long court timelines are before continuing discussing these matters you clearly aren’t familiar with
So you don’t follow the news at all?
You’re just objectively wrong…
Huh? Have you never seen anything about how the court system works?
Courts are absurdly slow, and it’s probably creeping into human rights violation levels for low priority cases. People have admitted to pleading guilty to just move on as they served a majority of their potential time in prison waiting for the trial
do you know how the courts work here? Indictment is pne of the very first steps.then comes all the pretrial stuff, where we are at now with trumps charges. And then comes the actual trial.
We’ll see. Now he has to go to actual trial, and it’s in DC.
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We need to handle this carefully. I feel martyr vibes coming from all of this bullshit if he is found guilty. Maybe it’s the part of the US I live in, and the political slant of the people therein, but I see him and his supporters using this to do something even more epically stupid than trying to invade the capital.
On the other hand, if we’re afraid to prosecute insurrection leaders because of fear of resulting violence, that’s kinda definitionally terrorism (and specifically losing to the terrorists).
I’m not American, but I’ve been imagining a world where magas would take over Washington with guns.
I don’t want it to happen, but I see it happening. Republicans are anti government.
It would be quite entertaining, though. Not great, but still entertaining.
Honestly good.
The dipshits of the republican party are already committing acts of terror in the name of protecting insert fake concern here
Like I don’t know why we’re treating them like a volcano about to blow, it’s been blowing for years now.
We been fucked lol
This is great. Actual consequences would be greater. Not crossing my fingers.
So if he goes to federal prison, do the secret service members who are part of his detail draw straws to see who else gets to spend time being bars?
We’ll make it easy on him and put him in supermax. He’ll have no security concerns whatsoever, secret service can take the rest of his life off.
There a reasonable chance he gets house arrest or there’s some special facility built for him. Alternatively he could be kept in solitary for the entire time, but that’s starting to be considered torture.
I mean, he did ask to be tough on criminals…
Maybe, however…
The sheriff of Fulton County, Ga., said on Tuesday that if former President Donald J. Trump were to be indicted in connection with efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, he would not receive special treatment, and would be booked and photographed like any other defendant.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/trump-indictment-georgia.html
So there’s hope he’d receive similar treatment from other officials.
He doesn’t need a detail if we put him in a concrete box!
heheheh, projection projection projection.
What do you mean by this? Like the “lock her up” thing was projecting?
his constant complaining about the election being stolen was what i meant about projection, but i guess that other thing works too lol
You would benefit from a remedial course in US civics.
Please educate yourself, you wouldn’t want to be convicted by a mob.
Care to elaborate on how a grand jury indictment is like a mob?
Care to elaborate on how a grand jury indictment is like a mob?
The post I responded to says "why the hell so you need a judge to rule he is a criminal’. It is not the grand jury indictment (that is a different conversation to be had) it is that comment
Not exactly due process.
Does that explain my concern?
Heckin yeah
