As a full time desktop Linux user since 1999 (the actual year of the Linux desktop, I swear) I wish all you Windows folks the best of luck on the next clean install 👍
…and Happy 30th Birthday “New Technology” File System!
How do you know when someone uses linux?
Don’t worry, they’ll tell you
We have extra time to diss Windows since we don’t have to wait for our OS to reboot all the fucking time.
Comment by someone who hasn’t used Windows in an age. When was the last time you rebooted because you had installed new software? When was the last time you ran random code from a forum post to make software work? Because this windows user doesn’t remember ever doing that.
Literally today. That’s why I brought it up. I installed updates and had to reboot twice to finish the task.
Many Linux package managers themselves tell you you should reboot your system after updates, especially if the update has touched system packages. You can definitely run into problems that will leave you scratching your head if you don’t.
A couple days ago, but I have a company issued remote managed windows laptop, and I get zero say in the matter.
At least once a month my system forces me to do a reboot for updates.
I can tell it to wait, but I can not tell it to stop.
And boy do you guys ever talk about Windows… Like constantly. Go on any Linux subreddit or community and 8 of the top 10 posts will mention Windows.
I have extra time because I don’t waste my time on making up arguments!
I wouldn’t tell you if I use Linux. I would tell YOU to use Linux. That reminds me… use Linux!
Join the dozens!
Literally dozens?!? Sign me up!
I read it as NFTS and was very confused for a minute.
NFTS: you invest all of your data into it, and it grows and grows until it suddenly disappears as you discover it was a scam all along.
It is weird to me that Microsoft hasn’t updated the file system in so long. They were going to with Longhorn/VIsta but that failed and it seems like they’ve been gunshy ever since.
You don’t sound like you weren’t around the Windows Vista/Longhorn development days when they promised a successor to NTFS and then over the course of the next couple of years, would bail on that (and nearly every other promise made).
WinFS: https://www.zdnet.com/article/bill-gates-biggest-microsoft-product-regret-winfs/
And FWIW, they are developing ReFS, which looks like it will finally supplant NTFS, but given MS’ business model, don’t expect NTFS to ever really disappear.
Yeah, I definitely was. I think that gave them PTSD or something because they haven’t even tried to make moderate changes to NTFS since. And besides ReFS which I hadn’t heard about until this thread, they haven’t even done something as minor as give you an option to use different file systems like ext4.
It is weird to me that Microsoft hasn’t updated the file system in so long.
Honest question: why? NTFS isn’t great, it isn’t terrible, it’s functional. I don’t really spend any time thinking about my filesystem. I like having symbolic links on my Linux boxes, but aside from that I just want it to work, and NTFS does.
Honest answer: it’s fragile. There are many cases of media durability being an issue and there will be going into the future. Adding a layer of ecc in the fs goes a long way.
WinFS wasn’t a replacement of NTFS as much as it was a supplement. Documents could be broken apart into atomic pieces, like an embedded image and that would be indexed on its own. Those pieces were kept in something more like a SQL database, more like using binary blobs in SharePoint Portal, but that database still was written to the disk on an NTFS partition as I recall. WinFS was responsible for bringing those pieces back together to represent a compete document if you were transferring it to a non-WinFS filesystem or transferring to a different system altogether. It wasn’t a new filesystem as much as it was a database with a filesystem driver.
I use both. I like Linux better, even more since W10. It’s spyware, crap, all those nasty things. But hey, I’m a pc gamer and, sadly enough, my games (80% of them) all get funcky in Linux (wine, playonlinux,… I tried it all), so guess I’m stuck with the crap. But again, Linux is far better and superior
When’s the last time you tried gaming on Linux? Valve has made a ton of progress with Proton in the last few years.
It’s been a few months now, so I guess I could try it again
Anticheat is still unavailable on the games I play the most, unfortunately. No warzone, no Fortnite, no Halo MCC, there’s Apex at least.
MCC works now
MCC multiplayer works on Linux now?
Yup, they updated it a few months ago.
Hot damn, here I go!
This might sound ignorant but that’s cause I am. Why doesn’t windows just use ext4, btrfs, XFS, or something open source. They wouldn’t have to worry about developing it so it’d be a load off their chest and they could get really good features that even NTFS doesn’t have. Well maybe not with ext4 but with btrfs
Why should they use anything else if NTFS had being great for 30 years?
idk who was dumb enough to upvote this but NTFS hasn’t been great. That’s why they’re making a replacement called reFS
It stood the test of time. Is it up to par with modern alternatives? Mmm, no. But for a 30 years old tech - it’s pretty freaking awesome!
Windows recovery is unable to boot.
there is an open source btrfs kernel driver for it and a userspace one for ext4
Not Terribly Fast System
How old is ext4?
15 years.
Modern Linux systems are slowly moving toward Btrfs at least… which is pretty young compared to ext4 and Ntfs.
XFS, the default filesystem in Red Hat, is older than NTFS. Released 1994.
I’ll say this, the previous admin of one of the Linux servers I support set up RAID-0 striping for the main data slice (must have been dropped on their head as a child or something). Two drives, and one of the drives developed bad sectors, but I was still able to recover 95% of the data before it shit the bed completely. So, XFS is apparently quite resilient, or I got lucky.
Can it die now? ZFS all the things!
Btrfs FTW. EXT 4 is also pretty darn good. Windows is
a jokenot a good fit for my use cases and has privacy issues about many others. I just it very occasionally but mostly run Arch Linux for my needs. Windows Games are running better under WINE/Proton than native in Windows often now.The only reason why I am running Linux and Windows in dual boot is because of Valorant and the Office 365 suite. Otherwise I would already be done with Windows. Linux is just amazing.
Even with Gnome a lot of times you can get by using about 2GB of RAM at startup. Windows hogs 4, especially win 11.
Got gnome running on this chromebook with 1GB of ram. Had to set up ZRAM and it was fine. Well as fine as Fedora linux can run on a 1GB chromebook
I miss defragging…
😂😂 why?
The pretty visualization in win95 was kinda great. Really good colors. Graphic design may have peaked in 1994.
For me - It was comforting to know that I have a magic tool that I can run that makes my PC faster.
Does NTFS allow for merging of disks into a single partition? Apple was able to do this by combing a larger HDD with a smaller SSD into a single virtual HFS+ volume.
Yep. You need to convert the disk into a “dynamic disk” (no data loss btw) and then you can create a “spanned volume” across the disks. You can also create a striped volume for performance, which is basically RAID 0.
But apparently dynamic disks are now deprecated and Microsoft wants you to use “storage spaces” instead, which is basically RAID and not just simple spanned volumes. The problem with this, IIRC, is that you’ll need at least two extra drives (in addition to the drive where Windows is installed).
I don’t think a spanned volume is quite what they were after. I’m pretty sure macOS uses the SSD part as a cache and it’s used mainly for increasing the performance of the relatively slow but large capacity HDD. Nowadays though you might as well just go with all SSD in most cases if performance matters.
can you boot from that ?
I heard rumours of Windows 12 moving away from NTFS(I assume keeping it as a legacy option).
What are they moving to?
ReFS allegedly
Isn’t that the FS that constantly needs to be defragged? Do people still do that?
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so… you do do that…
Pretty sure that was FAT. Whatever the case, you don’t need to defeag modern windows anymore
