There are different levels of pain lol. Just because we determined snake bites hurt worse than a paper cut it doesn’t mean paper cuts aren’t a version of pain. Same thing actually with the word “dark” you think nighttime is dark? Have you ever even been in a cave? That’s dark!
I’ve said nothing about the ethics of jokes. If anything you can take what I said to mean all jokes are in poor taste. That wouldn’t fit your narrative of what you think I’m saying tho so you ignored that lol the truth is I said nothing about ethics or what is appropriate.
I’m not parroting anyone. If I were I would have quoted him. More than one person can have a thought lol
Less puritanical societies… that remain nameless. Are we in a Puritanical society right now? Unless you’re going back to caveman times we’ve always been naked in private. Before that being naked wouldn’t have been funny. No one is laughing at boobs in societies that are shirtless. Same with farting. It wasn’t a joke until it was taboo.
Have you ever seen anyone rolling on the floor laughing just at a pun? I mean you mentioned me crying at knock knock jokes. Have you ever audible laughed at the talent of a pun or do you laugh because it’s stupid? Do you have any evidence of that being recent or just someone didn’t specifically write down the puns were stupid? Where is you’re source? Because we typically don’t create historic records of things that are considered “obvious”
Have you ever audible laughed at the talent of a pun
…Yes.
I didn’t say this in my other comment because I wasn’t sure how to explain it, but you know that “bad puns” are just one particular genre of pun, right?
I mean, I think you’re likely to describe them all as painful regardless. “It is painful that two definitions of a word are not easily reconciled,” or something.
Can I ask you something? I mean sincerely, like I’m trying to understand you as a person. Why do you think this pain model of comedy is useful? You’re describing pain that is so miniscule and modest, but pointing at it nevertheless, insisting that it is pain and thus justifies what you’re saying—what is this revealing to you about the world?
I just think it’s interesting. I think jokes are interesting, I think the mind is interesting.
I like to understand things as well. I have really severe adhd and I like things to click and make sense. I also like patterns and I see a pattern here.
I’m also honestly always looking for things to change my world view. If I was set on “this is the only truth” I wouldn’t bring it up at all.
It’s not a greater commentary on the world, I’m just having a fun conversation. That’s it.
I haven’t even looked this up or researched it at all, just had casual conversations with people about it a few times. It came to me because I process a lot of my emotions thru humor. I don’t really tell a lot of “edgelord” jokes or racist jokes. Mostly my jokes are pretty soft hitting absurd quips.
But I watch a lot of comedy and I just noticed a pattern and chose to talk about it.
Everything is greater commentary on the world. Every bit of knowledge you gain is a puzzle piece that fits into a broader picture.
I can understand your pain idea, but only if I stretch it out to mean a particular kind of expectation and subversion—which is how I actually understand comedy. That is, surprise is an important element of how jokes work. But I imagine that you’re interpreting the unexpected to be some form of pain: that there is some connection between the expected and normalcy, and the unexpected and discomfort.
I don’t find the unexpected to be discomforting, which I think may be the root as to why we disagree.
lol well I’m not a fan of surprises. From my view point it we all kind of are not fans of surprises. Our minds make predictions and when reality doesn’t pan out that way the brain is upset by that, causing a reaction.
Humor is a way to process emotions like crying is a way to process emotions.
I don’t think enjoying something necessarily means it isn’t a “pain” of sorts.
Like if I blow out a tire and say “thank god, I hated that tire” it’s just a way to process that.
I see a lot of processing of anxiety, pain, and sadness in comedy. Not all of it to the extreme but I do feel humor exsists exclusively for processing the unexpected, anxiety, and general pain of life.
To take something that feels unsafe and make it safe again. I don’t mean in just the joke I enjoy but in every joke I think I’ve ever even heard before.
That’s why I ask for one I can’t for nearly into that category of “brain does this to ease itself of discomfort”
I think expectations being wrong is a feeling of discomfort even if we push it thru the reward centers of the brain to process it.
It’s done my tire blew out because I never liked that tire anyway.
That’s why I ask for one I can’t for nearly into that category of “brain does this to ease itself of discomfort”
Right, but what I’m trying to say is that it’s not possible to give you one. You have built for yourself a theory that is not falsifiable; every example you might be given will be reinterpreted through the lens of pain, and so it will reaffirm your ideas—because you have designed it to.
Imagine someone wearing purple-tinted glasses while asking people to show them something that wasn’t purple-colored. It can’t be done.
This is more or less why I was asking about what value this idea has for you, what it teaches you about the world. If this idea, that literally all comedy is about processing pain, means something, it leads to some conclusion, then it becomes falsifiable. Right now you’re just offering it as a kind of truism.
There are different levels of pain lol. Just because we determined snake bites hurt worse than a paper cut it doesn’t mean paper cuts aren’t a version of pain. Same thing actually with the word “dark” you think nighttime is dark? Have you ever even been in a cave? That’s dark!
I’ve said nothing about the ethics of jokes. If anything you can take what I said to mean all jokes are in poor taste. That wouldn’t fit your narrative of what you think I’m saying tho so you ignored that lol the truth is I said nothing about ethics or what is appropriate.
I’m not parroting anyone. If I were I would have quoted him. More than one person can have a thought lol
Less puritanical societies… that remain nameless. Are we in a Puritanical society right now? Unless you’re going back to caveman times we’ve always been naked in private. Before that being naked wouldn’t have been funny. No one is laughing at boobs in societies that are shirtless. Same with farting. It wasn’t a joke until it was taboo.
Have you ever seen anyone rolling on the floor laughing just at a pun? I mean you mentioned me crying at knock knock jokes. Have you ever audible laughed at the talent of a pun or do you laugh because it’s stupid? Do you have any evidence of that being recent or just someone didn’t specifically write down the puns were stupid? Where is you’re source? Because we typically don’t create historic records of things that are considered “obvious”
…Yes.
I didn’t say this in my other comment because I wasn’t sure how to explain it, but you know that “bad puns” are just one particular genre of pun, right?
I mean, I think you’re likely to describe them all as painful regardless. “It is painful that two definitions of a word are not easily reconciled,” or something.
Can I ask you something? I mean sincerely, like I’m trying to understand you as a person. Why do you think this pain model of comedy is useful? You’re describing pain that is so miniscule and modest, but pointing at it nevertheless, insisting that it is pain and thus justifies what you’re saying—what is this revealing to you about the world?
I just think it’s interesting. I think jokes are interesting, I think the mind is interesting.
I like to understand things as well. I have really severe adhd and I like things to click and make sense. I also like patterns and I see a pattern here.
I’m also honestly always looking for things to change my world view. If I was set on “this is the only truth” I wouldn’t bring it up at all.
It’s not a greater commentary on the world, I’m just having a fun conversation. That’s it.
I haven’t even looked this up or researched it at all, just had casual conversations with people about it a few times. It came to me because I process a lot of my emotions thru humor. I don’t really tell a lot of “edgelord” jokes or racist jokes. Mostly my jokes are pretty soft hitting absurd quips.
But I watch a lot of comedy and I just noticed a pattern and chose to talk about it.
There’s no grand point or motive. Just talking.
Everything is greater commentary on the world. Every bit of knowledge you gain is a puzzle piece that fits into a broader picture.
I can understand your pain idea, but only if I stretch it out to mean a particular kind of expectation and subversion—which is how I actually understand comedy. That is, surprise is an important element of how jokes work. But I imagine that you’re interpreting the unexpected to be some form of pain: that there is some connection between the expected and normalcy, and the unexpected and discomfort.
I don’t find the unexpected to be discomforting, which I think may be the root as to why we disagree.
lol well I’m not a fan of surprises. From my view point it we all kind of are not fans of surprises. Our minds make predictions and when reality doesn’t pan out that way the brain is upset by that, causing a reaction.
Humor is a way to process emotions like crying is a way to process emotions.
I don’t think enjoying something necessarily means it isn’t a “pain” of sorts.
Like if I blow out a tire and say “thank god, I hated that tire” it’s just a way to process that.
I see a lot of processing of anxiety, pain, and sadness in comedy. Not all of it to the extreme but I do feel humor exsists exclusively for processing the unexpected, anxiety, and general pain of life.
To take something that feels unsafe and make it safe again. I don’t mean in just the joke I enjoy but in every joke I think I’ve ever even heard before.
That’s why I ask for one I can’t for nearly into that category of “brain does this to ease itself of discomfort”
I think expectations being wrong is a feeling of discomfort even if we push it thru the reward centers of the brain to process it.
It’s done my tire blew out because I never liked that tire anyway.
It’s processing emotion.
Right, but what I’m trying to say is that it’s not possible to give you one. You have built for yourself a theory that is not falsifiable; every example you might be given will be reinterpreted through the lens of pain, and so it will reaffirm your ideas—because you have designed it to.
Imagine someone wearing purple-tinted glasses while asking people to show them something that wasn’t purple-colored. It can’t be done.
This is more or less why I was asking about what value this idea has for you, what it teaches you about the world. If this idea, that literally all comedy is about processing pain, means something, it leads to some conclusion, then it becomes falsifiable. Right now you’re just offering it as a kind of truism.