I just think it’s interesting. I think jokes are interesting, I think the mind is interesting.
I like to understand things as well. I have really severe adhd and I like things to click and make sense. I also like patterns and I see a pattern here.
I’m also honestly always looking for things to change my world view. If I was set on “this is the only truth” I wouldn’t bring it up at all.
It’s not a greater commentary on the world, I’m just having a fun conversation. That’s it.
I haven’t even looked this up or researched it at all, just had casual conversations with people about it a few times. It came to me because I process a lot of my emotions thru humor. I don’t really tell a lot of “edgelord” jokes or racist jokes. Mostly my jokes are pretty soft hitting absurd quips.
But I watch a lot of comedy and I just noticed a pattern and chose to talk about it.
Everything is greater commentary on the world. Every bit of knowledge you gain is a puzzle piece that fits into a broader picture.
I can understand your pain idea, but only if I stretch it out to mean a particular kind of expectation and subversion—which is how I actually understand comedy. That is, surprise is an important element of how jokes work. But I imagine that you’re interpreting the unexpected to be some form of pain: that there is some connection between the expected and normalcy, and the unexpected and discomfort.
I don’t find the unexpected to be discomforting, which I think may be the root as to why we disagree.
lol well I’m not a fan of surprises. From my view point it we all kind of are not fans of surprises. Our minds make predictions and when reality doesn’t pan out that way the brain is upset by that, causing a reaction.
Humor is a way to process emotions like crying is a way to process emotions.
I don’t think enjoying something necessarily means it isn’t a “pain” of sorts.
Like if I blow out a tire and say “thank god, I hated that tire” it’s just a way to process that.
I see a lot of processing of anxiety, pain, and sadness in comedy. Not all of it to the extreme but I do feel humor exsists exclusively for processing the unexpected, anxiety, and general pain of life.
To take something that feels unsafe and make it safe again. I don’t mean in just the joke I enjoy but in every joke I think I’ve ever even heard before.
That’s why I ask for one I can’t for nearly into that category of “brain does this to ease itself of discomfort”
I think expectations being wrong is a feeling of discomfort even if we push it thru the reward centers of the brain to process it.
It’s done my tire blew out because I never liked that tire anyway.
That’s why I ask for one I can’t for nearly into that category of “brain does this to ease itself of discomfort”
Right, but what I’m trying to say is that it’s not possible to give you one. You have built for yourself a theory that is not falsifiable; every example you might be given will be reinterpreted through the lens of pain, and so it will reaffirm your ideas—because you have designed it to.
Imagine someone wearing purple-tinted glasses while asking people to show them something that wasn’t purple-colored. It can’t be done.
This is more or less why I was asking about what value this idea has for you, what it teaches you about the world. If this idea, that literally all comedy is about processing pain, means something, it leads to some conclusion, then it becomes falsifiable. Right now you’re just offering it as a kind of truism.
We prove the existence of looking thru lenses all the time. We can prove color blindness, we measure prescriptions lenses.
You say I’m using a lense but the examples you are using is going threw a sun lense. I like spicy food, spicy food is hot. It doesn’t change that it’s pain. What I mean is you are also using the subjective lense of “some people enjoy it”.
I’m not reinterpreting surprise and shock, I’m stating the brain routes all that through the emotional and stressful areas of the brain then thru the reward center after.
That’s the lense being used.
“Oh I was surprised but it’s okay and safe so I fealrelief and happiness “
It doesn’t really prove anything beyond we have a varied way of processing pain and humor is designed for that purpose just like crying is.
Thats the lense as far as I’m concerned. You don’t have to feel that way but I still do even after what you’ve said.
Other than that I guess it helps to know this for the same reason it helps to know anything. So you can make predictions about life. Like the guy who’s always making edgy joke probably has a lot of pain they aren’t coping with well vs someone who tells a lot of jokes that aren’t distasteful might have a lot of pain but are handling better emotionally.
I just think it’s interesting. I think jokes are interesting, I think the mind is interesting.
I like to understand things as well. I have really severe adhd and I like things to click and make sense. I also like patterns and I see a pattern here.
I’m also honestly always looking for things to change my world view. If I was set on “this is the only truth” I wouldn’t bring it up at all.
It’s not a greater commentary on the world, I’m just having a fun conversation. That’s it.
I haven’t even looked this up or researched it at all, just had casual conversations with people about it a few times. It came to me because I process a lot of my emotions thru humor. I don’t really tell a lot of “edgelord” jokes or racist jokes. Mostly my jokes are pretty soft hitting absurd quips.
But I watch a lot of comedy and I just noticed a pattern and chose to talk about it.
There’s no grand point or motive. Just talking.
Everything is greater commentary on the world. Every bit of knowledge you gain is a puzzle piece that fits into a broader picture.
I can understand your pain idea, but only if I stretch it out to mean a particular kind of expectation and subversion—which is how I actually understand comedy. That is, surprise is an important element of how jokes work. But I imagine that you’re interpreting the unexpected to be some form of pain: that there is some connection between the expected and normalcy, and the unexpected and discomfort.
I don’t find the unexpected to be discomforting, which I think may be the root as to why we disagree.
lol well I’m not a fan of surprises. From my view point it we all kind of are not fans of surprises. Our minds make predictions and when reality doesn’t pan out that way the brain is upset by that, causing a reaction.
Humor is a way to process emotions like crying is a way to process emotions.
I don’t think enjoying something necessarily means it isn’t a “pain” of sorts.
Like if I blow out a tire and say “thank god, I hated that tire” it’s just a way to process that.
I see a lot of processing of anxiety, pain, and sadness in comedy. Not all of it to the extreme but I do feel humor exsists exclusively for processing the unexpected, anxiety, and general pain of life.
To take something that feels unsafe and make it safe again. I don’t mean in just the joke I enjoy but in every joke I think I’ve ever even heard before.
That’s why I ask for one I can’t for nearly into that category of “brain does this to ease itself of discomfort”
I think expectations being wrong is a feeling of discomfort even if we push it thru the reward centers of the brain to process it.
It’s done my tire blew out because I never liked that tire anyway.
It’s processing emotion.
Right, but what I’m trying to say is that it’s not possible to give you one. You have built for yourself a theory that is not falsifiable; every example you might be given will be reinterpreted through the lens of pain, and so it will reaffirm your ideas—because you have designed it to.
Imagine someone wearing purple-tinted glasses while asking people to show them something that wasn’t purple-colored. It can’t be done.
This is more or less why I was asking about what value this idea has for you, what it teaches you about the world. If this idea, that literally all comedy is about processing pain, means something, it leads to some conclusion, then it becomes falsifiable. Right now you’re just offering it as a kind of truism.
We prove the existence of looking thru lenses all the time. We can prove color blindness, we measure prescriptions lenses.
You say I’m using a lense but the examples you are using is going threw a sun lense. I like spicy food, spicy food is hot. It doesn’t change that it’s pain. What I mean is you are also using the subjective lense of “some people enjoy it”.
I’m not reinterpreting surprise and shock, I’m stating the brain routes all that through the emotional and stressful areas of the brain then thru the reward center after.
That’s the lense being used.
“Oh I was surprised but it’s okay and safe so I fealrelief and happiness “
It doesn’t really prove anything beyond we have a varied way of processing pain and humor is designed for that purpose just like crying is.
Thats the lense as far as I’m concerned. You don’t have to feel that way but I still do even after what you’ve said.
Other than that I guess it helps to know this for the same reason it helps to know anything. So you can make predictions about life. Like the guy who’s always making edgy joke probably has a lot of pain they aren’t coping with well vs someone who tells a lot of jokes that aren’t distasteful might have a lot of pain but are handling better emotionally.