“But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth, and that’s one of the things that I try to do, and it’s certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they’re Catholic or Protestant,” he added.
The pope and Donald Trump have exchanged barbs over the past several days, with the pope denouncing the war in Iran and Trump responding by saying Leo was “WEAK on crime” and “terrible for Foreign Policy.”
Quite a Protestant think to say, for a supposed Catholic.
MAGA is JD’s religion now.
If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible, especially in the domain of theology & religion, then why is Vance saying any of this? Sure seems like his “Catholicism” is name alone or perhaps his faith is more Protestant than he wants to admit. Or, he has values above his faith, and for a Catholic, that seems worse.
Whatever, Jan.
Edit: I’m ex-Catholic. I don’t need a theology lesson about the specifics. What the Pope is expressing here is within the domain of church doctrine.
Stop trying to defend fascists with pedantic details.
The Pope should just excommunicate the couchfucker.
Not justifying mr couch fucker, but I will point out: modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible when speaking “ex cathedra”, literally “from the chair”, which is also like… weird with different peoples’ opinions on what is ex cathedra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
on the other hand, Vance’s “catholicism” doesn’t even match the fucking Bible, so, yknow.
Well, let’s be real… Catholicism doesn’t match the Bible, either.
It’s a ridiculous book full of contradictions, so par for the course.
modern Catholic doctrine does not actually say the Pope is infallible. Rather, it is that he is infallible
Yeah, pretty much. What, you expected consistency from the religious sect that has consistently had issues with child sexual abuse?
I hate to break it to you about other religions, too…
Obviously the Catholic Church has a systemic problem, and given that it’s one of the largest religions on earth (and their molester shuffling), it’s more universal than in a lot of religions, and I’m not defending them. They’re only unique in scale though.
I mean, yeah. They’re just the most famous about it.
Which other religions are you referring to? Naturally you would identify them by name.
If you’d like. Mormons, different kinds of Protestant, Jehovas Witnesses, Amish, Hasidic Jews, Muslims, and so many cults off the top of my head (not the links, obviously, but I just wrote out all of the religions associated with pedophilia I remembered from the past few years and went looking for stories). I suspect if I lived around more other religions, I’d be able to remember different ones and you can probably find cases for most religions (I just went looking for an exception, but even Unitarians are not immune).
If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible
It isn’t. That’s only when the Pope is speaking “ex cathedra” meaning “from the chair” which Pius IX defined as
when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, [the Bishop of Rome] defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.
My point. He is infallible, specifically in this matter.
And my point is that you’re wrong.
John 13:34, Matthew 5:9, Matthew 26:52, Luke 6:27
The Pope is right to bring Jesus’ word to light here, if Vance is truly faithful. I wish you peace, verily.
So just like a complete non-sequitur then?
The pope needs to excommunicate JD
And then curbstomp him to drive the point home.
Think of all the leaders who told the Pope to fuck off in history. Nothing but great successes. Surely we’re winning.
JD bout to start MAGA Catholicism and install himself as the pope.
A antipope you say? That hasn’t happened in a long time.
A trailer park Avignon, lol.
(nothing against trailer parks . . . that aren’t hosting their own dollar store pope)
But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth
Oh dear, somebody has a lot of catching up to do. Start with Council of Nicea and go from there.
FUN FACT: Council of Nicea was formed to settle the age old debate of “should priests cut off their balls or not? On the one hand, Jesus said to do so… on the other hand, my balls.”
The other part was to make it a patriarchal church instead of a matriarchal one. The Virgin Mary used to be the holy figure of Christianity, but men didn’t like that.
Correction, used to be one of the holy figureS, there were other sects with their own favorites (like John the Baptist and many others).
They also tossed a lot of “in between” and after testimonies (Gospel of Thomas et al I think) and more.
BUT, the pressing issue was balls.
Coincidentally, the word “testimony” is derived from the old custom that referred to swearing an oath on your balls (testicles).
Lots of balls. balls balls balls
That obsession survives to this day
I think time and experience has proved Jesus right - priests should definitely cut off their bollocks.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. ~Matthew 19:12
Not just priests! He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Castrati and eunochs only recently fell out of favor in the past century
Christians are surprisingly ignorant of their own history, it’s kinda funny
Wow, there really is a passage for everything! New Testament too. Sounds like Christians should be getting busy with the pruning shears. Jesus actually recommends this as a cure for horniness. TBF I guess it would be an effective one.
JD’s political career is over after this regime
Take him into a backroom with promises of a soft couch.
Then just fucking shoot him in the head. Lights out. No fanfare. Just gone.
Tell him he’s getting a promotion
What funny to watch (I mean, gallows humor funny) is that as Trump gets weaker, the various temptations for Crown Prince Couchfucker to coup him just grow exponentially.
I like to imagine Trump and Vance sitting across from each other, silently weighing each other up, Trump telling himself shit like “JD owes me everything, he wouldn’t,” and Vance just looking back across at Trump like Trump’s a couch.
No, it’s not. He’ll flourish.
Watch and see!
We can’t even get rid of Ted Cruz. They stay in office until they are half-dead (see Biden, Mitch, etc.)
He’s banking on being POTUS for the back half of Trump’s term. Trump could keel over any day, but if he’s still alive by New Year’s we’ll almost certainly see Vance try to remove him with the 25th. Once he’s in power, he just needs to be less batshit than Trump for two years and he’ll be in a good position to win an election.
How can he call himself a catholic while disrespecting his own religious leader
Because his real faith is money
Every member of this administration, past, present, and future, need to be held accountable when this is over. If we don’t do that, then the Constitution, our laws, will continue to erode when the next batch of grifters show up to push the envelope to see how far they can bend and break the rules.
My take on this is that the Night of the Long Knives has clearly started in Trump’s inner circle and Vance (sent to no-win scenarios in Hungary and Pakistan while Trump and Rubio were bro-bonding without him) is starting to feel on thin ice.
So he’s trying to demonstrate how far backwards he can bend over to justify anything Trump decides to crap on Truth Social.
Are they trying to make an American Orthodox Church or something like that?
Complete with supply side Jesus
I wasn’t aware the Pope was a law enforcement official, or a foreign policy official. Gosh, where would we be without these little gems Trump keeps dropping?
Trouble is you can justify anything you want with the Bible.
Picking a fight with the guy most identified with have some direct line of information with the god of your constituents though?
I’m curious on what the MAGA boyz think of this sionist.
i keep imagining CK3…
Pope Leo’s Opinion of you -100
Call the holy league against USA
