If faced with critical thinking, people tend to disregard what you’re trying to say and push back to their outlook.
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Be honest, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much does this question have to do with your constant posting about how the maaaaan, maaaaan, is holding down all your crypto “investments” and they’re due to go to the moon any day now as soon as the cabal of lizard people who run the world is eradicated?
You just can’t handle our reptilian overlords smh
Your title is un-self critical and condescending, so your conversations probably aren’t terribly productive in either direction.
That turn of phrase has never been used by someone conversing in good faith and with an open mind.
Edit: Jack Nicholson excepted
On one hand people often don’t like to hear bad news or an idea that means they have to do a thing or face a problem. On the other hand how a person is told the idea is a big part of a negative reaction. Often there is no reason to tell someone the thing at all.
I’ll be straight forward if someone asks but I’m not “brutality honest”. OP sounds like the “brutality honest” without anyone asking type.
I enjoy your username
Seriously, that title is worded like a straight up attack. Such a question, while open ended in who would consider what truth, still leads to the same outcome: engagement based purely on outrage and “proving the other side wrong.”
I sometimes wonder if people post things like this with the intention of filtering through comments to block people that post their political viewpoints in response. If thats the case, I would conssider this a very effective and intelligent post. However, I don’t think that this is the case.
My goodness that sounds like a lot of work lol.
“Can’t handle the truth” = I’m gonna write you off as a whole person and call you weak and stupid because we disagree.
He needed a good title. You cant judge a persons conversation skills based on that…
Many reasons.
- the message seems fishy
- the messenger is not charismatic/trustworthy enough
- there’s lack of clarity in the message
- it contradicts personal model of reality, and these form the cornerstones of our identity, thus can’t be changed just like that
- etc, etc, etc
Have you considered that they probably feel the same way about you? That you’re disregarding what they say and pushing back with your own outlook?
There was a study about sometihng simiilar a while back. It was posted on Reddit, so if that site hasn’t imploded yet, you might be able to find it. I don’t remember the whole thing, but it said a lot of people rather double-down on their already accepted beliefs than open themselves up to new results. It wasn’t everyone, of course and it wasn’t for all topics either. Maybe someone can go find that study and post it here for OP.
“I think it’s very easy to convince people they are wrong.”
“Actually, here’s all these studies that prove that the opposite is-”
“Well I don’t believe that.”
People don’t like being wrong.
Being wrong has long been viewed as a form of weakness.
When in reality, if you are faced with knowledge of your wrongness and make a correction, then over time you grow. In which case, being wrong is a strength of sorts.
I’m weak several times a day.
Most people’s values and beliefs are all wrapped up with their sense of self, so if those beliefs get attacked, they feel like they’re being attacked.
Avoiding this is very tricky and counter-intuitive, but there are techniques. Look up “street epistemology” if you’d like to know more. There’s a guy on YouTube who goes to college campuses and has discussions with passersby regarding their beliefs. Basically, it’s asking people “What do you believe?” and “Why do you believe that?” Like I said, though, it’s tricky and takes a lot of practice, and it’s really easy to fall back into old patterns again.
Could you make an example? They most likely see you the same way.
I can only read the beginning of his tweet/story as someone who is not signed up to Twitter. He also says there is a link somewhere, but I don’t see one.
damn it’s cool that nitter is working again!
yeah linking to Twitter threads is a complete mess now since Elon fucked that up
I’d be interested in a example. What is an example of a truth that you have found it difficult to get people to accept?
Some people honestly believe the Earth is 6000 years old. And not a little amount of people, giant percentages of the United States of America. They believe dinosaur bones were placed by Satan. These people walk amongst us.
how are you going to reason with somebody like that??
Only morons would believe the world was 6000 years old. The universe started last Thursday.
The vast majority, virtually all, believe so because they believe that is what the Bible says.
And since they also believe their interpretation is the only correct one, and said interpretation requires everything be accepted OR they’ll go to eternal hellfire and burn forever there, as they deserve, there is basically no way to change this worldview without shattering it entirely. It benefits from being fragile because it causes so much mental anguish to depart from it, and people who walk away can turn into totally different people as a result of rejecting it and thus being rejected by their friends and family and community at large.
You, as a single, and likely, stranger to them, can’t get them to change. Alternative points of view or lifestyles are evidence of Satan’s trickery, so directed and deliberate debate with these people functions for them as a test of faith: they just have to weather the blows and they get Good Christian points and become closer to God. Nevermind that you have no intention of causing them harm or tricking them: you want to do the opposite, but it doesn’t matter.
The best you can do is be a kind person and be sure of yourself and your views. Planting a seed of doubt is much better than being used as a piece of evidence that they should not be looking for friends in worldly places.
“you can never reason a man out of an opinion he was not reasoned into”
- Jonathan Swift
It’s not simply that people believe specific things, but that they define themselves in terms of what they believe.
And in fact, it’s often the case that people invest in specific beliefs not because they’ve reasoned their way to that conclusion, but simply because they’ve effectively picked it off the rack of possible beliefs as the one that most clearly represents whatever image of themselves they wish to promote - it’s the position held by smart people or enlightened people or trendy people or moral people or strong people or whatever.
So if you try to argue against their belief, you face two immediate and generally insurmountable obstacles.
First, they’re psychologically invested in the belief, so if you call it into question, you’re not just threatening the belief - you’re threatening their self-image. Anything that casts doubt on the belief by extension casts doubt on their self-affirming presumption that holding the belief demonstrates their intelligence/morality/whatever.
And second, since it’s likely the case that they didn’t reason their way to the position in the first place, they can’t becreasoned away from it anyway. So itvinevitably shifts back to their psychological investment in the position, and your attempts at reason are a distraction at best.
Not sure if this is helpful, but my take is:
Because in most cases, what is assumed to be “truth”is subjective. If you’re talking political. More often things are blurred with regards to truth as most things tend not to be empirically true, but instead, emotionally true.
For example;
“All conservatives are Nazis!”
This is inherently untrue. Yet I see every day- people who believe this to be the absolute truth. Same thing with-
“All liberals want to do is make our children gay!”
Also untrue. But when you try and correct them, they will almost always entrench themselves within their own version of the truth and disregard any form of critical thinking.
All conservatives are Nazis
Some were very fine people.
Is there even an objective truth though? I’d say there technically is, but I think we all have our own subjective versions of what our “truth” is that rise and fall like a sine wave around the straight line of objective Truth.
Just remember that what is popular is not always true, and what is true is not always popular.
When it comes to changing someone’s mind, I believe it helps to first question whether there’s even a need to do so. If there is, then asking questions is vital. You can’t just hit someone with Facts & Logic™ and expect that it will immediately undo something they may have had drilled into them since childhood, or something that requires recognition that would challenge other dearly held beliefs (e.g. “if my dad did a bad thing, then is he not the great, infallible man I thought he was? If he’s a bad person and people tell me I look and act just like him, does that mean I’m a bad person, too?”). Finding out why someone believes what they believe, and taking time to understand it yourself and validate their experience is instrumental in opening up people’s hearts and minds. Or, at least, that’s been my experience and is therefore true to me. 😉
