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    The DNC are the progressive party. They promote taxing the rich and removing money from politics.

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      The Some in DNC are the progressive party. TheySome promote taxing the rich and removing money from politics.

      FTFY

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        Not really, it’s the party’s core platform. If they had 60 senators it would be done. If they had even 51 we would have at least seen minor progress but instead they have 45 now and not more than 48 in over 10 years.

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          I don’t think you can earnestly say that with the chicinery that kept Bernie from tying the nomination in favor of the heir apparent in Clinton (Bernie and AOC are pulling huge crowds in trump country). They again pulled that shit with having Biden run twice when he was obviously infirmed. He only stepped aside for the young after he did that disastrous debate. Lastly, the gamesmenship the democrats pull on their own members in congress?

          The party establishment is focused on dying on the hill of placating to the rich. That is fundamentally against progress. Hence the diet fascism stance the dems take. We we have 2 right-wing parties in America.

          *Edit: FYI, capitalists love fascism. Its why the richest man ever throws Seig Heils.

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            Bernie Sanders lost the 2016 primary by 3 Million 700 Thousand individual votes, which he was invited to participate in as a 3rd party by the DNC leadership. He lost the 2020 primary to Biden by a lot fuckin more, too.

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        It’s core policy platform, page 48 of their official manifesto and it’s been publicly stated by pretty much every DNC to reverse Citizens United. They’re also the only party to try to pass any antibribery and anticorruption laws in the last couple of decades, such was the case with HR 1 For the People Act.

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          No no. Politicans still want all that lovely money.

          The dems put forward the proposal on page 48 to say that they want transparency, because that fucks over the Republicans more than them.

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              Democrats will also fight to strengthen public financing with small-dollar matching for all federal candidates

              In addition to private contributions, they want tax money too. Additional lovey money.

              ban all private financing from federal elections.

              Hang on. What about the dollar matching. You can’t have both. Also, private financing is free to supply lovely money at all other times.

              and crack down on foreign nationals who try to influence elections.

              “Crack down” is not defined. Foreign donations to foundations like the Clinton’s are unlikely to be affected.

              We will keep super PACs wholly independent of campaigns and parties

              But they will still exist to funnel all that lovely money.

              Democrats will end “dark money” by requiring full disclosure of contributors and ban 501©(4) organizations from spending on elections.

              “Light” lovely money will still be accepted.

              Democrats will prohibit corporate PACs and lobbyists from donating to anyone they lobby.

              But corporate PACs will still be able to give the DNC lovey money.


              The DNC is not trying to reduce the money they are receiving.

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                Captain, the goalpost is running away!

                Small Dollar donations mean individuals, like when a granny gives $15 to Bernie Sanders. Since that explicitly says matching with public financing that means said matching would have an upper limit allotted to every candidate.

                It says businesses and corporations won’t be allowed to donate to campaigns or collaborate with campaigns. That leaves a loophole where they can still endorse a candidate publicly, but taking that away would be a violation of freedom of speech.

                PACs will still exist in the sense that political advocates and lobbies exist, but they would be severely gutted by not being able to fund campaigns, which is their sole purpose since the Citizens United decision was first handed down.

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                  Captain, the goalpost is running away!

                  I’m consistently defending the statement that the Democrats (and the Republicans) DO NOT want to remove money from politics.

                  They may be arguing for more transparency, but they definitely are not asking for less lovely money. increase expenditure

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                    The fact that you can see that graph and not realize the impact Citizens United court decision has, that the DNC consistently campaigned on reversing, is astonishing. It’s like seeing somebody with every piece of the puzzle fail to put it together.

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      They promote taxing the rich and removing money from politics.

      And then do none of that and support genocide instead.

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      The Dems are the conservatives, they want the status quo with maybe some mild reforms.

      The Republicans apparently are the radicals, they want to change society (in a direction that I think is completely stupid, but still)