Hey, coming from a history teacher, (now, server as I make 3-4x as much) — it’s horrid! And I miss teaching every damn day! FUCK AMERICA! Here’s my questions to you.

3 parts:

1: I’m here to ask a legitimate question, if we all agree, that “Fascism”, is wrong then why is “ANTIFA”, now made the “enemy”??? Is it because now we’re living in a “Fascist State” or, (soon to be) state?? Lack of education?? Funding for public funding programs?? Do not know what “ANTIFA” truly means?, etc.

Because as Trump stated he, “he did not know Miller during elections”: so again, Trump: “didn’t even know the writer of Project 2025… but now a member of his cabinet”? So lie right?

The definition of “ANTIFA” means anti-fascism… so people who voted for Trump, how do you feel about this? As our economy is crumbling, are egg prices better? Food costs lower, wages higher? Are you MAGA voters living an “America First” life?

2: USA FAILS on ALL educational fields by a LONG shot we don’t even break the top 30 in anything, do you think this is why we have “president” who “won again”? I just want to understand the MAGA votes views… and want to know… America is not first in anything and prove me wrong PLEASE! So please explain why anyone thinks we’re #1, in honestly anything, but ego?

3: Finally question… if you voted MAGA, has Trump ACTUALLY helped you at all? If so please give me examples and FACTS so I can get a better understanding the voting you made the country suffer through? PLEASE enlighten me and others!

Finally thought: VOTE or STFU! You do not get to complain and comment about politics when your ass was too lazy or didn’t care enough to vote! Sit down and bow out because your voice DID NOT AND NOW doesn’t matter, just like you not voting put us here!

So ONLY comment if you had/have a voice with that vote please (any vote, not just MAGA).

Thank you!!!

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    if we all agree, that “Fascism”, is wrong

    Republicans do not agree.

    If so please give me examples and FACTS

    It’s a religion, they have faith which is more powerful than facts.

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      Which is asinine, right?

      Which is what?? (Religion) EDIT:MAGA

      I am a practicing Christian and this does NOT align with any of our views.

      Edit: VIEWS OF MY CHURCH!

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        The ‘Prosperity Gospel’ does not align with Christian views. But it exists to allow “Christians” (heavy reliance on those quotes) to believe that having immense wealth is a sign that they are one of the chosen. These are the types of mental gymnastics certain people utilize to allow horrible anti-Christian behavior. Soon enough, you see Republicans having a little prayer session before they give massive tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy while taking health care away from millions.

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          They are using religion to gain what THEY WANT… bottom line. But here we are giving an airbase to Muslims… honestly. Couldn’t care less…

          But how do other MAGA “Christians” feel?!

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          I get whatever you’re saying (but honestly just accepting your opinion and moving on) but you do realize that… I have NO hate… regardless of anything and just want an understanding… but here YOU are with hate… (ironic for you right)?

          Jesus “was born by a surrogate” since she was a virgin…

          And homie had two dads right…? I get the Bible has a bunch of stuff… but bottom line… this Christian belief stated such. And I cannot complain because things have happened to me and family that only a “miracle” could have happened, and I mean numerous times…

          And it’s hypocritical, just like reality, politics, and life. But my church and I believe everyone is life regardless but I get what you are saying… but I am not a part of a church like that!

          And honestly, NOT all Christians feel the same and I REFUSE to stop being Christian… because of lack of understanding of what happened in reality and give up morals, especially while Trump, Kirk, and Miller use it to push THEIR monstrous agenda! (READ PROJECT 2025- ENTIRELY— then COMMENT— until then no thank you, it’s fucking the “Handsmaid’s Tale”!!). It’s fucking terrifying and that bald dude Miller is going to kill us all! (I say this every day but you can’t trust a dude whose hair hated him so much it fucking left his body and his height was right behind him!)

          They/You can keep trying to push that agenda via religion but I REFUSE TO BE THAT NAIVE! The GOP are pushing THEIR agenda to Evangelists and “DUMB” people believing it!

          But the REAL ISSUE IS PROJECT 2025, read it or forever be dumb!

          Ps: All “Christians” aren’t the “same”, you have free Christians (like me), Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals (the people jumping to hump Trump) who held a Bible upside down and clearly are not preaching morals as he’s a pedophile…

          SHOW US THE ESPTEIN FILES!

          DEFLECTIONS!!

          Regardless of religion, it comes down to PROJECT 2025 and people “voted” for it.

          PS: you all brought my religion into this when I DID NOT was just asking and offered myself (regret-used it against me)! I legit am trying to understand why voting for Project 2025…

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    I feel like this is obvious.

    (For the record, I voted blue in the last election.)

    The vast majority of America’s view on antifa falls somewhere between “they should all be arrested” and “they’re kids who mean well, but are using the wrong methods”.

    Do not know what “ANTIFA” truly means?

    This seems like the easiest point to explain. A name doesn’t have to mean exactly what it says, and everyone knows this. I could just as easily say “Why are you opposed to MAGA? Do you not want America to be great?” You, presumably, do want America to be great (according to your own definion of “great”) - but you don’t support MAGA. Why? Because MAGA is not the amorphous concept of making America better. It is a political movement with its own cultural context, specific goals, typical methodology, vocal supporters, etc. This is very easy to understand.

    Same with Antifa. Sure, the word literally means “antifascist”, but people are going to look at the broader context of their actions, their goals, and the people who are actually in the movement.

    I will step back for a monent and say that I personally know little about what the antifa movement actually does. Maybe they spend most of their time operating soup kitchens or lobbying politicians for electoral system reforms with greater transparency. But for the purposes of this question, that is all irrelivant, since this question is about perception.

    And what is the perception of antifa? Of what they actually do, who they actually are, and what they actually want? The perception is an angry young man wearing all black throwing a brick through a Starbucks window. His goal is to bring down the amorphous concept of “the system” or “capitalism” via violent extremism to create a world of anarchy - without much of a plan for what to do afterwards if he ever succeeded (which he won’t). The mainstream dislikes this, because in the case that he succeeds (which is unlikely) we would very predictably have everything good in our lives ruined - jobs, stability, secure finances, enough food, clean water, physical safety, etc - because these things depend on the continuation of the system we live in. And in the case he fails, now they have to endure an annoying draft when buying coffee until Starbucks can replace the window. And the mainstream left especially don’t like him because they feel like he is setting them back politically by associating more left leaning ideas with violence and instability, which most people dislike.

    This doesn’t really have anything to do with MAGA. The mainstream does not view these as two equal and opposite factions where one side is clearly good and the other evil. The mainstream sees ICE deporting Australians to El Salvador and says “oh, I don’t like that”. And then they see antifa rioting and say “oh, I don’t like that either”. You may ask that if the mainstream’s plan isn’t supporting antifascism, then what is their plan, and the fact is, they don’t need to have a plan to have a opinion about what they do and don’t like. People don’t like slaughterhouse conditions, but still eat bacon. They don’t like climate change, but still want to buy a fancy sports car. The views of any given person will almost never form a logically sound thesis for an idealized state of the world, because people don’t think logically. We see the world, we feel emotional responses, and then we spin up just enough of a logical framework to support our emotional response… That’s it.

    Sorry, didn’t answer your other questions.

    For questions 2 and 3, Trump supporters feel their lives are much better under Trump? Why? Because “their side” is in charge. Really, that’s it. Humans are emotional. Part of our emotional system is tribalism - our side in charge good. Their side in charge bad. Most MAGA voters live in a political fairy tale where good ol’fashioned America has been under attack from “The Liberals” for decades, and now Trump is here to save us. What exactly constitudes the America we want to return to, and why any given action is justifiable in order to achieve those ends are, again, logical justifications made up post hoc in order to respond to emotional responses. These logical reasons can be bolstered by a steady stream of right wing media, which is the only media they consume - again, because it justifies their emotional responses.

    As Victor Frankl said - man can endure any what, just as long as he has a why (or something like that). Well, man can justify any what just as long as he likes his why. Trump is president = my person is president = egg prices are reasonable.

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    I hung around anti-SJW groups in 2016 and I’m assuming not much has changed.

    Basically ANTIFA is painted as a violent group that claims normal things as “fascist”, same as the “leftists” call “normal people” “nazis”. People in these right-leaning circles get shown videos of protests after they go violent and innocent people / property starts getting damaged and are told it’s ANTIFA (I don’t know how much actually is ANTIFA, I don’t follow this stuff anymore). The name of the organisation does not matter because the right does not believe the things they are protesting against to be fascist, thus ANTIFA becomes a lie in their mind.

    Looking at it from a leftist perspective, think of tactics like all the bills named the “Protect Our Children” act (or some such) that tries to strip rights away under an innocent-sounding name. Right-wing sees ANTIFA the same as you would see these law names: a deception to calm the masses.

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    Not trolling.

    But randomly capitalizing words to express your outrage is off-putting. So is pointing at your PhD multiple times when you feel defensive.

    Anyway, the answer to your first question answers the rest.

    Not everyone agrees that fascism is bad. Yes, it’s what we were supposed to learn in school. But our country has its own history of genocide, racism, and hate. And we largely teach that greed and stepping on others is how to get ahead. I mean, we’re taught the golden rule. But also to be successful even if it means turning a blind eye to the harms you cause.

    Our unresolved racial and genocidal karma is also very easy to tap into when folks are scared or feeling stepped on.

    Which makes it very easy for a demogague to make the case, you know, maybe fascism isn’t that bad.

    Couple this with billion dollar propaganda machines and a lack of critical thinking skills taught in some religions and educational systems, and most folks on the right don’t realize that anti-antifa is logically pro-fascim. And the rest don’t care as long as they get theirs and the right people get hurt.

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    propaganda based on classic mussolini style hate. you pick the opponent who doesnt want you to ruin everything, and advertise them as evil.

    are you really a history teacher?

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    So, to your first question (about Antifa), MAGA don’t consider what the current administration (or anything they support) to be fascist. Because they tend to put the conclusion before the question: “I am against fascism. I support these policies. Therefore these policies must not be fascist.”

    And because they’ve decided these fascist policies are not fascist, the term “Antifa” to them is similar to “pro-life” for pro-choice people. It’s a term that isn’t exactly accurate but makes the group naming themselves look like the good guys. And in the same way that pro-choice people don’t consider themselves “anti-life” just because pro-life people call themselves that, MAGA people don’t consider themselves “pro-fascist” just because Antifa call themsleves that.

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    The GOP also has issues with DEI, which stands for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.

    Their followers are either not smart enough to realize, and will parrot what they hear, and thereby spread more hate, or they’re willingly malevolent.

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    Fascists don’t believe that fascism is bad.

    And I guess that’s correct when you’re a narcissistic psychopath whose in charge.

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    Everyone (pretty much) agrees that fascism is bad, but Antifa is a movement that means more than anti fascism. Antifa is branding or marketing in the same way that the anti defamation league is, or like the patriot act put a certain spin on a bill that stripped privacy rights from citizens. Groups use branding to gain power and aren’t all encompassing as to their motives or actions. In the case of antifa it’s less of an actual organization and more of a rallying cry that gets used for a wide variety of people with different motives, and it’s detractors point to a wide variety of actions or intents (real or imagined) when criticizing it.

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    Opposition should be labeled and then cancelled. Oh wait, isn’t that what the left was criticized for?

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      Why “QUESTIONS” should NEVER be in question but ANSWERS to said “questions” speak VOLUMES!

      Have a great day knowing, you provided NOTHING but a troll response to a valid question!

      Cool story… keep on keeping on with your “comments” 🖕🏼 do better!