Seems like hard-core hate for anyone religious is fine in many circles. Is there a point where it becomes as problematic as other forms of bigotry? Not any specific religion necessarily just the disdain for the religious in general.

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    If you hate people simply for being religious, without respect for their beliefs, then that would be bigotry.

    However, largely, the paradox of intolerance applies, especially if a given religious belief is being forced on the general populace. That is, if a religion or individual of a religion supports bigoted behavior/ beliefs (such as against human rights) then it isn’t wrong to say that you hate those beliefs and those who support them. This does include “simply” being a member of a church that actively promotes harmful beliefs since people are supporting those beliefs through their membership.

    The reality is that many religions are problematic in these ways, so it isn’t bigoted to oppose bigotry-- but you should clarify beliefs first. Like The Satanic Temple? Rock on.

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      I struggle with the idea that being part of a religion means you support the negatives without acknowledging the positives. For example, the catholic church has a horrible track record with child abuse. Sentiments I hear accuse catholics of loving and supporting pedophiles. But the catholic church also funds thousands of hospitals, clinics, food banks, orphanages and schools. They were also one of the few institutions setting up and running programs for needy people historically. Can someone hate aspects of the institution while supporting others and still be considered moral? Surely if you were to poll catholics, almost none would condone acts of child abuse. But, they would all support helping the needy. Is it reasonable to hold all members accountable for the horrible acts of a few? Maybe, maybe not, I really don’t know.

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    I just think hate is generally an unproductive feeling regardless of who it’s towards. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to claim that I’m perfect and never find myself feeling it, I just try to avoid it.

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    Nothing good comes from hate. Hate is an emotion, and when you’re emotional, you cannot fix or improve things.

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    Hate.

    Hard core hate.

    Hard core hate for anyone religious.

    I am sure individuals who have this hate in them, and there are circles where strong disrespect for anyone religious is tolerated, but this? No. And “many” circles?

    I’m sorry but I do not believe the premise for the question to be real.

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      Wrote the question based on some comments I’d seen on lemmy, reddit and conversations with friends. If you don’t think many people believe hating someone based on their religion is morally correct, you should read some of the comments in this thread. It started with a long conversation with a close friend of mine. He considers himself an atheist and views religion and religious people as the root of most major evils in the world. I think its a reasonable premise based on my lived experience. Just curious what other people think.

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    If you’re still taking supernatural campfire stories with you into adulthood, I view you as a child and, well, children should be seen and not heard.

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      Yeah that’s pretty much what I’ve gathered from this thread and conversations I’ve had. Both sides see themselves as morally and intellectually superior. I don’t see much willing cohesion being possible on the extreme sides of either. Luckily the majority of people seem to fall in the middle.

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        If it improves your moral responsibility and helps you be kind and accepting, I’m all for it. But lording over others with “God’s plan” or whatever is just social engineering for dominator culture. That’s not very wuwei of them.