• kopasz7@sh.itjust.works
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    7 months ago

    “It’s [the Mercator projection] the world’s longest misinformation and disinformation campaign, and it just simply has to stop.”

    No matter how we cut it though, all 2D projections will have some kind of distortion. They opted to preserve area, while the Mercator preserves angles. Arguably it is less important today to preserve angles, as we have automatic navigation systems. There are some alternatives that also preserve the area: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/The-Equal-Earth-compared-to-similar-equal-area-pseudocylindrical-projections.png

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      7 months ago

      Right. What people need to understand that any globe put on a flat surface will be distorted. Their proposal is just as distorted as the Mercator, just in area vs angles as you stated.

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      The Mercator is a propaganda campaign to make Christian countries look big and powerful. Ask yourself why is it only “Christian” countries that are distorted.

      Edit: should have put this /s

      • Maps were used for navigation, which meant angles needed to be preserved. Christian nations colonised a lot, meaning they needed to have maps for navigation a lot too.

        This isn’t some weird propaganda campaign, that makes no sense. Try making an angle-preserving map that doesn’t wildly distort the north and south of the world.

        Besides, not sure how Christian the icy wastes of Greenland and Antarctica are.

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        I know right! It’s all done to further Antarctica’s hegemony! Just look how huge it seems!

        /uj If you want no distortions, get a globe.

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    7 months ago

    The simple fact is no map projection will be perfect or do anyone “justice”.

    You’re flattening out a sphere to a flat rectangle. A lot of compromises have to be made. So go with the one that functions best for navigation.

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      7 months ago

      Well a rectangle gives you easy direction, true north is always up. But you can map very accurate maps that are not rectangle. They just make navigation a bitch

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    I’m going to be honest, this just looks utterly useless for any country that isn’t south africa, and ESPECIALLY useless for any country in the northern hemisphere.

    Like, yes, sure, you’ve made all the country’s areas roughly equal, but also every single country that isn’t south africa is a distorted, warped mess that looks nothing like what any of the countries look like.

    Look at parts of europe- every country is a COMPLETELY USELESS shape. Three quarters of them have been turned into diagonal lines. How the fuck is that useful? Europe is the worst area in that regard, but by no means the only one.

    It makes it literally useless as a map.

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      Every country looks distorted and warped based on your lifetime of experience looking at mercator projection. Every country looks warped and distorted when compared to globes. We learn geography on a flat surface which is inherently distorted because we live on a round surface

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        Actually, fun fact, the entire point of the Mercator projection is that it DOES maintain shapes/angles, just not scale. It’s a nautical map, it’s for sailing. That’s why when you look at a mercator map and a globe, the countries look about the same, just potentially different sizes- because that’s literally the point of it.

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      7 months ago

      Such a beautiful scene.

      “But you can’t do that!”

      “Why not?”

      “Because you’re freaking me out!”

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      7 months ago

      It was very much a real discussion back then as well. The writers didn’t invent this argument.

      People have been complaining about maps in general since we first started making them. The Gall-Peters projection that they mentioned traces its origins back to 1855 when James Gall first introduced the concept.

      In the 1970’s, Arno Peters made this projection well known. He specifically argued the point the show makes: other maps distort our perception of the world and it fosters problems with how we treat some countries.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall–Peters_projection

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          You’re welcome, enjoy your odd new fact :D

          Stuff like this is why I really enjoy The West Wing. It often has interesting real world arguments that it plays out smartly. A bit too optimistic in our current political climate, but still fun to watch.

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    7 months ago

    Looking at the correct map makes it clear that our Risk Continent Troop values need updated now.

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    7 months ago

    Reminds me of the West Wing episode with the Petersen (?) projection map. Although I seem to remember that map format was under copyright and would have required a fee for every use. An intended consequence?

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    7 months ago

    16th century? Huh I would have expected a far more accurate version would have been made and accepted long ago.

    Especially since during all the centuries since then accurate navigation was needed, even around Afrika, and not make journeys last far longer by keeping an incorrect map.

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    7 months ago

    This is like that one American Dallas county commissioner, William Price, getting offended it’s called Black Hole.

    The notion that projections perpetuate some racial agenda is exactly the pseudo-intellectual victimhood that takes away oxygen in the room for actual issues to be addressed.