I did get messed up by some anxiety and have these thoughts rolling through my head so I’ll leave it at cosmic horror warning.
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I’m not religious but I have thoughts about experiencing consciousness and what it is. I say that consciousness is independent of memory because we forget, clearly dependent on our physical body, etc. generally I do say that we don’t know consciousness so maybe it can be reconstructed (in the can’t rule out the possibility way)
So I can see scenarios were my conscious could pop into existence without my memories after I die (as I’m writing this I realized that’s nothing to fear).
I am trying to adopt healthier mindset of looking at everything in life as a quest, new things are a call to action, and that it’s okay if everything I do amounts to little in x number of years (worked out okay for ozymandias, right?).
Im probably just rambling because my life has got boring and monotonous along with actual fear of American politics.
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The fact that your particular molecules will reconstruct into something else is 100% certain
Will you keep your particular consciousness in this process - unlikely
However if you drop off the definition of You as your current limited body and mind, then reincarnation is exactly what happens.
This is hard to articulate, but like molecules thar make up a person constantly come in and leave the body and when their in the body they “change states”. Technically while you’re alive you changing into other things constantly. Person you were a second ago could be considered dead since that was a specific combination of atoms that are lost.
It just ads to the mystery of consciousness
Eh I not sure if those atoms are you.
Every atom in your body isn’t the same atom you had when you were a kid, or even 7 years ago.
No.
Do you remember before being born? It’s the same after.
Yeah I can forgot random days of my life so I don’t remember those days. I get the perspective I’m just illustrating a point
If you want to play with that thought in a horrible way you might want to have a look at the episode white Christmas from black mirror.
So reincarnation is not a thing but what’s to stop “you” from coming back as a new individual? After all, it happened at least once.
That’s where we get into technicalities and states of dying.
Ao while I was medically dead it wasn’t so dead that it was unrecoverable. Akin to a reset. Which, depending on the state you were in and the measures taken, could also have side effects and damages.
Anyhow biologically ‘you’ are still there. And leaving the body is it after a bit of decay. Like a complex system falling apart unrecoverably.
I think conclusively stating that is a bit much, we don’t know shit about how consciousness works, do how can we know what happens if it ends?
I died and came back and there was nothing, that concludes it for me. Ymmv, of course.
Are you sure? Like what do you mean nothing? Like it all went to black? How do you know you just don’t remember it?
(in order of questions)
Yes I am. Well, like dreamless time-skip sleeping or before being born, nothing. No not even going to black just not and nothing being there, movie cut.
And lastly, I can’t, true. It could also be being influenced by the cocktail of medication you get in that situation which by the way has created a lot of stories to tell afterwards (trips) but not from the time of dying.
NDEs are probably not drug induced… probably
I like to compare it to electronics (since our brain also runs on/with electricity): unplug old electronics and have a look what’s being displayed while the memory and visuals lose their power. 😁
But after that, it’s gone.
What about people who claim past life memories?
As is common amongst Buddhists
Related video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_4BFX_qhhyk
I am aware. I personally think it’s a load of religious bull, but don’t directly want to offend anyone wanting to believe it.
I also know repatriation (I hope that’s the correctly translated term) which is proven to be planted suggested memories through that very process scientifically as far as I am aware at the current state of science.
I do love reading (eg the game is life) playing with these theories, though!
Proof of the evidence that reparitation is suggested?
Fair request.
I did some research into the topic a year ago due to my situation and came to the stated conclusion.
So I tried to find some scientific research again right now (in a limited time frame of like 10 to 20 minutes, on my mobile).
I first tried in English bot got a lot of hits regarding companies and since my native language is not English I don’t know what that word means in relation to companies and also didn’t want to waste time on that.
So I tried it in German and was flooded by hits which offer that ad a service and as such of course tell you how successful it is. Obviously.
I was not able to find the research I remember within that time, I am sorry.
However in any case you’d be free to believe whatever anyway.
The point of the information I read was however that people coming out of the procedure (sometimes, possibly also accidentally) get memories planted in a well known psychological way and it is a highly untrustworthy procedure.
So that’s why I didn’t do it. I have enough to cope with and don’t need additional fictional issues added to that 😁
And they found that all this does is create false memories?
Edit: Oh you meant the hypnosis does. Yeah not sure why he recommended that part before meditation
Indeed. So the brain would create memories from context.
And we’re 100% on this?
No.
Enjoy the ride.
I hope not.
I felt that way too, but then I watched re zero and that changed my mentally. I watch the anime last year
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It’s peaceful at least. It will cure my anxiety.
Dude, I had bad day. Are you okay?
It’s a long story, but I made this post to cope. I’m feeling better, I’m mixing up my routine. I am getting annoyed when I come across people talking about death.
Yesterday I did help someone that had a pop-up canopy collapse on them under heavy winds.
I do believe in reincarnation, in that we are all physical manifestations of what you could call “God”. That means that everyone you meet, every dog you pet, every ant you accidentally squish, is synonymous with the divine. We are all constantly reincarnating throughout the universe, and this should be looked at no more acutely than the cells in your body constantly dying and being reborn.
I guess you could call it pantheism, though I tend to follow philosophies like Zen Buddhism and the Tao and it still seems to work.
Looking at existence in this way can form a new understanding, nay, a new reverence towards your life and the universe. Then you will understand who you really are and why you’re here. The real power of God is in manifesting everywhere, all the time, all at once. After all…
And that is, of course, why the images of the Hindu gods are shown with many arms or many faces: because it is saying that all arms are the arms of the divinity, all faces are its masks.
-Alan Watts, Out Of Your Mind
I believe in reincarnation just as much as I believe any other theory of an afterlife - that is to say, I don’t.
We don’t know. Nobody knows what happens when we die. That’s ok, and I don’t feel the need to make up a story to explain away the uncertainty.
I think it’s likely that something happens when we die, but it could just as easily be nothingness, the end of existence. I only think it’s likely because I definitely believe that there is SO much that we don’t understand about the universe that it’s more probable than not that SOMETHING happens that we can’t currently fathom, perceive, or understand.
But, right now there’s no real evidence. So I don’t care, and I don’t worry about it.
To our best understanding, everything that lives will die. I don’t know what happens, it might be some form of heaven, it might be reincarnation, it might be transcendence, etc. However, I take comfort in the fact that it’s a shared experience, whatever it is. It’s natural. It’s part of the process.
The universe doesn’t owe us an explanation. Maybe we’ll figure it out, but we haven’t yet, and I’m fine with that.
I like the idea in Buddhism, that you are precious/valuable from the moment you are born. You already achieved plenty in your past life, which is why you were born as a human. Therefore, there is no need for self-hatred or for pressure to perform.
Not very knowledgeable about Buddhism but is the cycle over once you ‘reach’ humanity or can you just be an awful human being in this incarnation and come back as E. coli the next time?
No but I wonder if hell is being made an insect over and over.
I don’t think insects have a notion of being happy or sad so it wouldn’t be too bad
Hell is being made a human over and over
I doubt insects are conscious because of how simple they are, but I do like that rich and Morty scene where the teacher was happy to be turn into a fly, but that’s because he was in therapy for eating poop
Sort of, not in a religious way.
Like I don’t think there will be anything special that you get to keep with you, the “soul” is just a vessel to experience things, nothing special about it. As in: There aren’t any hero stories, no "dragon reborn"s, no Karma. Just randomness. This moment, you are a human, when you die, your next moments could be a bug crawling next to you when you died, or newborn kitten to a pregnant cat in your backyard, or a cockroach about to get stepped on. Then some time again, you will be another human. Or perhaps proximity doesn’t matter and you could be born on some alien planet far away. There is no concious god, its just pure randomness.
As if you are an immortal camera and your body is the microSD card adaptor, your memories are the microSD card, your experiences are just what the camera sees.
Sorry if my beliefs are silly, but I think there is some part of living beings that current level of technology cant quite measure yet. I think it has something to do with mass energy equivalence, maybe when we die, we become some energy that just bounces around until we become something else.
Its like people used to think the Earth orbited the sun. People used to not be able to see germs, or atoms, then we went from seeing atoms, to protons, electrons, then we say those even smaller parts.
Perhaps there is something that can’t be measured yet. Perhaps it may never be able to be measured.
The way I see it:
It’s either:
[1] Nonexistence --> I exist --> Nonexistence (and never exist again)
Or
[2] Nonexistence --> I exist --> Nonexistence --> I exist again (repeat for a long time, possibly forever)
Option one breaks my brain, so I just choose to go with option 2 to keep my sanity.
Maybe is just my monkey brain being silly, idk, but our minds have to invent these little stories to keep ourself sane. We as non-omniscient beings cannot objectively observe the universe, is all just biased subjective interpretations that are unique to us.
But regardless, this is the only chance I get to experience “this” life, “next” time I might be the bug the gets crushed by a neighbor that “this” life used to live with. So um… yea, thanks for coming to my ted talk
Take it sleezy 🤷♂️
🌌 (Your next life will be on a planet in a solar system with 3 suns, good luck with the chaotic eras lol)
(I must sound so stupid right? Given that this is Lemmy and eveyone here is an Atheist. Its fine, just leave my monkey brain believe its weird theories 😅)
Eh… No, but its nice to think about it.
As stated by many others, evidence is required to prove something. However, the stories we tell ourselves are comforting, so I wont fault anyone who does. Up until the point where people start going “My sky-dad could totally beat up your sky-dad”, that can Belgium right off…
The character I created in my worldbuilding can totally beat up your character.
I hope reincarnation is true. I want to be reborn. But than again, I fear being reborn in some dystopian future.
No. I believe in a relative afterlife (and people who feel confident that no afterlife is some sort of overwhelmingly logical conclusion should probably look closer at trending science and technology).
So I believe that what any given person sees after death may be relative to them. For those that hope for reincarnation, I sure hope they get it. It’s not my jam but they aren’t me.
That said, I definitely don’t believe that it’s occurring locally or that people are remembering actual past lives, etc.
I want to believe
If it was a choice why would I ever wanna come back to this hell hole ?
I think this universe sucks, not to ignore human history. Lots of it is empty space apparently cosmic events can wipe you out with next to no warning, your made up of atoms and cells that can die and degrade, and we are stuck to this solar system because space isn’t empty it’s full of shit thats going to kill you
Which is why my headcanon for this universe is that we’re basically running rogue playthrough in this life. After you die, you’ll regain all your “soul” memories and will be given a choice to “replay” with another life and losing your memories “again” until you’ve reached a certain level of enlightenment and then you’ll “graduate” from our current level of existence.
Call me crazy but it helps me sleep at night, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
