• reddig33@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    We’re also the only country in the developed world without socialized medicine.

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      On top of that Americans pay more healthcare related income taxes than anyone else! Those could well be used to cover the expenses of a socialized system. It’s absolutely amazing that people think they don’t need it.

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        the US actually pays about double at $9K per capita.Most of the rest of the cdeveloped countries pay about $3-4K per capita for healthcare.

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          This sounds way more important than people wearing different clothing than you’d expect reading to children in a library, but you guys know best.

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            The drag story hour thing (and pretty much all other culture wars) are designed to keep people outraged at the people trying to fix the country so that the few at the top can continue to other the one’s trying to fix the problems. Cause enough outrage to your political rivals trying to end your honey pot. Keeps the ones who fall for it from seeing past the curtain and the ones you target from being trusted/gaining momentum.

            It’s funny… I could’ve sworn I remember a guy from Austria doing something really similar sometime around 1937…

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        Just so it’s very clear how ridiculous the situation truly is.

        The US government pays per capita about double what other developed countries do for healthcare AND Americans still need to pay for private insurance over that, which on average is also more than what other countries spend per capita for the same services…

        Even with all that money spent, life expectancy in the USA is closer to some Latin American countries than it is to Canada’s and infant mortality is the highest of all Occidental rich countries and is pretty much equal to China’s.

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      2 years ago

      We do have socialized medicine. We socialize the research and innovations and give it to corporations and insurance companies for them to have profits.

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    Yep, and given my experience talking with other US citizens about universal healthcare, they’ll argue how it’s some how a bad thing. It’s just a reoccurring thing, people seem to be programmed to hate stuff that’d help them.

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    Let’s see $1 million medical bills, no health insurance, no paid medical leave, no consumer protection laws, trans genocide attempts, corporations are “people,” a minimum wage of $7.25 and much more.

    Is it rich for like three people?

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      Nobody knows what happens in North Korea, but that makes sense.

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    The firm I was with about a decade ago or so made a big deal when they rolled out some of their new benefits.

    One benefit was parental leave, and they were real proud and happy to offer a whopping TEN DAYS paternal leave for new fathers. Ten lousy days.

    And the worst part is they didn’t even have to do that much.

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      If it’s any consolation it still isn’t much better in the UK. My gift from work to celebrate the birth of my child was two weeks off - one at full pay and one at statutory paternity pay level. Welcome to the world new human, here’s your pay deduction!

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    My job offers it but I wasn’t allowed to take it because I hadn’t worked there for a year yet. I was graciously (/s) allowed to put myself negative on PTO, but only one week.

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    Life Pro Tip for Americans: If you can save up for a plane ticket and go to another country. Europe would be my recommendation. It amazes me that there isn’t a mass exodus going on in the US. I don’t understand why anyone would possibly choose to live there tbh.

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      Good luck getting visas and residence permits.

      I (Danish) am married to an American and it was easier for me to get a US green card, than for her to get a residence permit in Denmark. After living some time in the US we decided to move to Denmark and while it’s great to live here, it was a freaking painstaking process to get her a permit.

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          My mother is literally German and most of my family is as well, and I can prove direct lineage. But I can’t get Germany citizenship because the laws are so strict.

          You’re right, Great Britain is easier for the children of Europeans, but other countries (possibly Denmark as well) are hard.

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              Could you maybe go over the process for how you got Italian citizenship? Trying to go through the process now with my fiancée and it’s… a lot (neither of us speaks Italian either).

              Specifically, how did you go about requesting documents from Italy? How did you know which civil registry to request from? What if I can’t find the civil registry for the state her descendant is from?

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              Oh for sure. Your EU citizenship is infinitely more valuable than my German lineage. The EU is a very sweet deal. I can’t how stupid Britain was to leave.

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      Europe isn’t a country and it’s not always easy to just move to another country. You have to actually be desirable to have in the country to even be considered.

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        That’s kind of the big problem with a lot of the Americans talking about moving to Europe for benefits. They lack these benefits because their jobs aren’t specialized or well paid, and European countries aren’t likely to accept their visa applications. Outside of marrying a European national, the best path is probably collective bargaining in the states.

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      It amazes me that there isn’t a mass exodus going on in the US

      This may blow your mind but there’s thing called “laws” that prevent Americans from simply moving to another country and living there. You need to immigrate, you need paperwork, you need a job, you need to prove to their country that you’re useful there… you know, all the things Americans do to other countries.

      I mean, yes, would I like to move to Germany tomorrow? Absolutely. Can I? No, it’s not that simple.

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        2 years ago

        This also ignores that since 2008 there has been a large exodus. Americans are leaving whenever they get the chance.

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      I make over $200k in a retail sales job…it’s very specialized but still retail sales. No college. I live very well here in the US. Perhaps I could move to Europe and make this sort of money with only my drive to sell, but I’d doubt it. Also family …I love my family and see them often.

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      Hi there. American here. I am actively learning both French and Dutch in case shit really hits the fan here in the states so I could potentially move to Europe.

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        I currently speak German, Dutch, Japanese and am learning Italian… just in case (and I realised I really enjoy learning languages)

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      Life Pro Tip for that guy: You should understand what you’re talking about. The reason why all these European countries have these great social programs is because they actually are tough on immigration and don’t have the strain on social programs like we do. If it’s such a shithole, why are immigrants risking their lives to enter the US by any means available?

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        “Strain on social programs” lol.

        “why are immigrants risking their lives to enter the US by any means available?” if you want to talk about mexicans, then this is only immigration they can afford.

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          You mean to tell me we can completely afford all the social programs we have and the country actually isn’t in debt?

          You do realize there are far more nationalities than Mexican entering the country, right? I know racist hear the word immigrant, and all they think is brown people, but come on. Do better.

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            We could if we taxed people properly, if corrupt officials didn’t pocket the money for their own, if money didn’t get thrown down the drain on all the admin salaries, if Medicare was legally allowed to negotiate prices, and if corrupt officials didn’t give money to their company owning friends in the name of “business aids”.

            Our country spends double on healthcare compared to the next country down the list and yet we have worse health outcomes. Making it illegal for Medicare to negotiate prices absolutely has something to do with that. In addition "Anderson attributes [higher prices] to consolidation among hospitals and doctors’ practices, which allows them to demand higher prices.

            Despite paying higher prices, Americans actually have less access to doctors, nurses and hospital beds. There are only 2.6 practicing doctors per 1,000 people in the US, compared to a median of 3.2 active physicians in the OECD, for instance. The efforts include raising deductibles to give consumers more incentive to shop around for health care services and paying doctors and hospitals based on patients’ health outcomes rather than for every service rendered."

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/health-care-spending/index.html

            And before anyone argues that appropriately taxing the rich will make them all leave:

            https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/20/if-you-tax-the-rich-they-wont-leave-us-data-contradicts-millionaires-threats

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    The US has a lot of “the only country” distinctions. They go their own way, whether that be for the best or absolute shameless reasons.

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    Yep. I was pushed to get back to work a single day after my daughter was born.

    But it’s fine, I get my revenge on him monthly. Hope it was worth it for him.

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    FWIW California at least allows new fathers to take 12 weeks paternity leave. My company normally only offers 4 weeks of paid paternity leave, but my coworker managed to get 12 by living in California. I believe he only got paid for 4 weeks of it since I don’t think the rule requires employers to pay the whole thing, but at least he got a lot of time off to help his wife and bond with his new son.

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      In the UK I’m coming to the end of my 20weeks paid parental leave (admittedly this is generous, but still not crazy).

      The US sounds awful.

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        My sister wasn’t even fully healed by the 12-week mark after her firstborn. Fortunately we live in Canada and have 12 months parental leave at 55% salary and jobs are protected. It’s inhumane to force new mothers back to work so soon or basically face unemployment.