OK, so the same shit about “trump is going to”. last I heard newsom was in charge of CA NG. Trump isn’t allowed to bring them up without a declaration of emergency or whatever.
Just bullshit that they will walk back in the morning.
e: LA times and AP seem to think this is actually happening. This is the boiling point; are you going to sit in the pot or jump out?
My only complaint (and I get to blame Regan) is that we can’t open carry here in Cali. That would help stop a lot of federal response if we had that capacity again.
I’m not for destroying government property since that’s property that belongs to the people, but I also respect that change doesn’t happen with complacency. Plus if it was a peaceful protest for Jan 6ers then why is this not considered one?
Every day I wish we didn’t have the current admin in charge since they lack capacity and bandwidth to take care of the real economic issues facing our generation and time.
Completely agree though that the national guard is in control of the governor. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Newsom agrees to bring them in if the feds kick in FEMA funding like they’re supposed to.
Flashing a gun at those GI Joe wannabes would have triggered their tiny brains to go into shoot to kill mode, and it would have been a massacre.
These dimwits are trained for full blown military responses. That’s easy for them, they have the gear, the training, and the psychopaths to shoot on sight.
What they can’t handle is massive civil disobedience, because they can’t arrest 100k, 500k, 1 million people who are out there lawfully protesting.
But it’s nutjobs like you, or that moron who sped their car at the agents, who will fuck it up for everyone.
Don’t bring your gun. Keep it at home, and if shit gets to the point where they start killing people, then defend yourself.
You act like I’m advocating murder. I’m advocating letting the government know that we can also have weapons and fight back. That doesn’t make me a fucking nut job, it makes me someone who has read a history book.
Civil disobedience has almost never worked, compared to armed disobedience. Even if those weapons are never fired. The point isn’t to go in shooting, it’s to get the military and police to back down and give the people what they demand.
You’re advocating for us to all roll over and wait until this administration gives us what we’re politely but firmly asking for. Which will never happen. They live for a show of force.
Keep holding your beliefs, it’ll be the last thing through your smug brain before the government executes you.
Show them a gun and you better be prepared to pull that trigger the moment they see it, because you’re going to die.
In a tense situation where there’s been some minor violence, a gun will immediately escalate things to a lethal level.
Stick to what I said and don’t make up stuff in your head please. I’m not against forceful opposition - rocks fly, things catch on fire, barricades get erected.
But don’t give them an armed conflict where they will 100% win, and much more easily spin it to fit their agenda.
That’s exactly what the Hamas attacks did - those fucking morons opened the door and put down a red carpet for Israel to get away with launching a full out “justified” war.
I love how you mention “they” aren’t going to kill unarmed protestors, and then proceed to mention a literal event in which they did. This country is founded on the government and corporations killing unarmed protestors.
What’s the acceptable number of dead people before also showing you’re armed is acceptable? Is it 5? 10? Maybe 1000?
If you pull up with guns they may kill you, but you have a better fighting chance than not. Plus if you were already going to die, since you’re so kind to sacrifice some people, wouldn’t you rather take some of them with you?
You’re playing by a made up set of rules where you think you being more moral than them makes you superior but it makes you dead and a loser.
There is no acceptable amount of civilian murders. The Fascists know this, and so they want an excuse to justify it. Bringing guns to protests gives them an excuse. It also makes the armed protestors the first targets of the thug forces, and triggers the cops’ shitty ingrained fear of everyone trying to kill them—that the fucking “training” they get—fills them with.
Ya’ll shouldn’t need to open carry because you idiots in the US could have just voted for not insane leaders for decades. Always a bad solution to a problem ya’ll could have easily avoided.
So many other places have figured how to at lesst not be as bad as the US, and they’ve also figured out how to stand up for themselves without firearms. US citizens are largely stupid cowards who will allow themselves to be sold for scrap so they can pretend that things are ok. There’s stupid and then there’s the US, the country with all the resources but not the two braincells to do anything with them. Ya’ll were fucked long before the propaganda and social engineering really took hold, and when it did those techniques came in playing on easy mode. The rest of the world looks at you amazed at how bad you are at everything and how you can’t even be bothered to at least be good people while sucking so bad.
We have had to watch the US put up clear, articulate, and even energizing politicians only for them to never make it into power way too many times. We’ve had to watch even mediocre people lose to people so insane and that even Fox News can’t hide it. It’s wild how fucked that country is, and now some douche canoe is bitching that they aren’t allowed to open carry because of course that’s your fucking solution.
The UK seems to keep letting Boris do shit in government.
AfD in Germany doubled their power in the last election.
Duterte hit the scene in the Philippines before trump in the US.
Italy just elected a far-right PM.
The biggest mistake you can make regarding the conservative dipshit death cult in the US, is assuming that your fellow dumbass citizens aren’t vulnerable to the exact same rhetoric.
Oh, the whole place is falling apart and US setting trends is a big part of that problem. Us in Canada should have done way better than we did last election, but even we managed to not do our usual flip-flop and barely scraped by not electing a massive piece of garbage who would have rolled over for Trump at every turn.
Didn’t I also say “long before” in there? That Duterte comment lookin’ kinda like you either weren’t reading like you think Trump is where it started falling apart. Or you think 2010 is ancient and irrelevant history, maybe.
Ah, so you know first-hand what I’m talking about. All this shit going on in the US, and your populace just barely didn’t shoehorn themselves into a far right shithole.
The biggest mistake you can make, is thinking that it can only happen in the US.
You can try to deflect all you want, the US is still a massive shithole that put itself in this mess and keeps exporting its pathetic extremism in myriad different ways. It’s a huge failure and trying to drag everyone down with it.
And all this started with me telling the person who thought banning open-carry firearms was the problem to shut the hell up. Everywhere is full of stupid, the US brand is just extra special.
Im not sure but I believe after 911, national guard units were deployed to Iraq (which had nothing to do with 911) by order of the president. I believe that if the president declares an emergency then they can use the national guards however they want.
It would make sense if Congress were required in this decision making process but that would be out of character for a fascist criminal ring
Fucking newspapers these days, this shit is important.
https://archive.ph/3X3Fe
OK, so the same shit about “trump is going to”. last I heard newsom was in charge of CA NG. Trump isn’t allowed to bring them up without a declaration of emergency or whatever.
Just bullshit that they will walk back in the morning.
e: LA times and AP seem to think this is actually happening. This is the boiling point; are you going to sit in the pot or jump out?
My only complaint (and I get to blame Regan) is that we can’t open carry here in Cali. That would help stop a lot of federal response if we had that capacity again.
I’m not for destroying government property since that’s property that belongs to the people, but I also respect that change doesn’t happen with complacency. Plus if it was a peaceful protest for Jan 6ers then why is this not considered one?
Every day I wish we didn’t have the current admin in charge since they lack capacity and bandwidth to take care of the real economic issues facing our generation and time.
Completely agree though that the national guard is in control of the governor. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Newsom agrees to bring them in if the feds kick in FEMA funding like they’re supposed to.
Open carry would have stopped NOTHING.
Flashing a gun at those GI Joe wannabes would have triggered their tiny brains to go into shoot to kill mode, and it would have been a massacre.
These dimwits are trained for full blown military responses. That’s easy for them, they have the gear, the training, and the psychopaths to shoot on sight.
What they can’t handle is massive civil disobedience, because they can’t arrest 100k, 500k, 1 million people who are out there lawfully protesting.
But it’s nutjobs like you, or that moron who sped their car at the agents, who will fuck it up for everyone.
Don’t bring your gun. Keep it at home, and if shit gets to the point where they start killing people, then defend yourself.
You act like I’m advocating murder. I’m advocating letting the government know that we can also have weapons and fight back. That doesn’t make me a fucking nut job, it makes me someone who has read a history book.
Civil disobedience has almost never worked, compared to armed disobedience. Even if those weapons are never fired. The point isn’t to go in shooting, it’s to get the military and police to back down and give the people what they demand.
You’re advocating for us to all roll over and wait until this administration gives us what we’re politely but firmly asking for. Which will never happen. They live for a show of force.
Keep holding your beliefs, it’ll be the last thing through your smug brain before the government executes you.
Show them a gun and you better be prepared to pull that trigger the moment they see it, because you’re going to die.
In a tense situation where there’s been some minor violence, a gun will immediately escalate things to a lethal level.
Stick to what I said and don’t make up stuff in your head please. I’m not against forceful opposition - rocks fly, things catch on fire, barricades get erected.
But don’t give them an armed conflict where they will 100% win, and much more easily spin it to fit their agenda.
That’s exactly what the Hamas attacks did - those fucking morons opened the door and put down a red carpet for Israel to get away with launching a full out “justified” war.
With what? Left weapon at home.
They aren’t going to kill many unarmed protesters, especially initially. There’s a reason they stopped at 4 during the Kent state fiasco.
Most of us will be fine and able to go home and plan for guerrilla tactics that have a better chance of survival later.
Edit: decided to emphasize my point even though only one person apparently missed it.
I love how you mention “they” aren’t going to kill unarmed protestors, and then proceed to mention a literal event in which they did. This country is founded on the government and corporations killing unarmed protestors.
He never said they aren’t going to kill anyone.
He said they aren’t going to kill many.
Which is true, up until a bunch of people pull guns, and then they’ll kill everyone.
What’s the acceptable number of dead people before also showing you’re armed is acceptable? Is it 5? 10? Maybe 1000?
If you pull up with guns they may kill you, but you have a better fighting chance than not. Plus if you were already going to die, since you’re so kind to sacrifice some people, wouldn’t you rather take some of them with you?
You’re playing by a made up set of rules where you think you being more moral than them makes you superior but it makes you dead and a loser.
There is no acceptable amount of civilian murders. The Fascists know this, and so they want an excuse to justify it. Bringing guns to protests gives them an excuse. It also makes the armed protestors the first targets of the thug forces, and triggers the cops’ shitty ingrained fear of everyone trying to kill them—that the fucking “training” they get—fills them with.
Ya’ll shouldn’t need to open carry because you idiots in the US could have just voted for not insane leaders for decades. Always a bad solution to a problem ya’ll could have easily avoided.
You’re discounting decades of propaganda and social engineering. But go off I guess.
So many other places have figured how to at lesst not be as bad as the US, and they’ve also figured out how to stand up for themselves without firearms. US citizens are largely stupid cowards who will allow themselves to be sold for scrap so they can pretend that things are ok. There’s stupid and then there’s the US, the country with all the resources but not the two braincells to do anything with them. Ya’ll were fucked long before the propaganda and social engineering really took hold, and when it did those techniques came in playing on easy mode. The rest of the world looks at you amazed at how bad you are at everything and how you can’t even be bothered to at least be good people while sucking so bad.
We have had to watch the US put up clear, articulate, and even energizing politicians only for them to never make it into power way too many times. We’ve had to watch even mediocre people lose to people so insane and that even Fox News can’t hide it. It’s wild how fucked that country is, and now some douche canoe is bitching that they aren’t allowed to open carry because of course that’s your fucking solution.
Garbage country. Country of garbage.
The UK seems to keep letting Boris do shit in government.
AfD in Germany doubled their power in the last election.
Duterte hit the scene in the Philippines before trump in the US.
Italy just elected a far-right PM.
The biggest mistake you can make regarding the conservative dipshit death cult in the US, is assuming that your fellow dumbass citizens aren’t vulnerable to the exact same rhetoric.
Oh, the whole place is falling apart and US setting trends is a big part of that problem. Us in Canada should have done way better than we did last election, but even we managed to not do our usual flip-flop and barely scraped by not electing a massive piece of garbage who would have rolled over for Trump at every turn.
Didn’t I also say “long before” in there? That Duterte comment lookin’ kinda like you either weren’t reading like you think Trump is where it started falling apart. Or you think 2010 is ancient and irrelevant history, maybe.
Ah, so you know first-hand what I’m talking about. All this shit going on in the US, and your populace just barely didn’t shoehorn themselves into a far right shithole.
The biggest mistake you can make, is thinking that it can only happen in the US.
You can try to deflect all you want, the US is still a massive shithole that put itself in this mess and keeps exporting its pathetic extremism in myriad different ways. It’s a huge failure and trying to drag everyone down with it.
And all this started with me telling the person who thought banning open-carry firearms was the problem to shut the hell up. Everywhere is full of stupid, the US brand is just extra special.
Im not sure but I believe after 911, national guard units were deployed to Iraq (which had nothing to do with 911) by order of the president. I believe that if the president declares an emergency then they can use the national guards however they want.
It would make sense if Congress were required in this decision making process but that would be out of character for a fascist criminal ring