Okay, so for some context .ml is run by the Lemmy devs and the devs are openly tankies (authoritarian communists). .ml, along with Lemmygrad (also run by the devs) and Hexbear are known as the Tankie Triad. While not as bad as the other two, .ml still has a lot of tankies compared to instances that aren’t part of the triad. Additionally, .ml used to be the recommended instance (until .world came along), making it one of the more populated instances. Most other instances defederate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear, but not necessarily .ml.
Basically, there’s a lot of extremely opinionated and often combative people there and provoking them (intentionally or not) is very easy.
That’s my understanding of the situation anyway.
I don’t know what I expected but it wasn’t this. I had no idea.
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works might be helpful to better understand the situation
All three are very reasonable and fun if you go in actually willing to chat.
Lmao, the ModLog begs to differ.
lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or “great leaders and allies to the cause”, most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.
They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.
JFC son this is not a roast this is a fucking napalm strike, god damn.
That was beautifully put.
Thank you.
So, tankies? At first I got attracted by the leftist/communist/socialist branding of the instance, but at the time the concept of fediverse was too complex for me when I first registered there so I deleted my account. I’m glad I did, then lol, supporting Putin, Xi, Kim just because they are “the left” is like supporting Hitler just because he is “the right”.
More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.
Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.
I have seen evidence to the contrary.
Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
Then link it. You’re full of shit.
Did you actually read through their links? Because if you did, I don’t think you’d be this confident.
I have. I stand by everything I’ve written in this post.
Well, I read through them, and they are definitely not making the point that y’all are trying to make. I assume you’re counting on other people not going through them.
The bad part is that they support him, whether or not they consider him a real leftist is less important
Basically, .ml Tankies (I don’t consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they’re a .ml users) are authoritarian
bootlickers“communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester
You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I’ve linked here is but a mere sampling of what’s been collected there
New users, I recommend blocking this account in particular. This person is completely off the rails, and spends their time on Lemmy pushing debunked western propaganda.
Yea, Western propaganda, like how Russia is just actually the good guys and was totally justified in invading Ukraine to stop the Nazis! Or maybe the “Banderists” or was it actually just a diplomatic maneuver?
I have lots of documented evidence on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works to support my stance on lemmy.ml, Tankies and the Tankie Triad, where’s yours? Because the last time I replied to you with all my evidence you checked out and never replied
That’s not true. You’ve openly admitted you only accept corporate or western government sources. The same ones pushing the propaganda you like.
And if it’s an outlet that challenges your narrative, you say it’s not a legitimate source. So it’s this endless feedback loop of trying to prove CIA narratives with you pointing to either the government story, or the news laundering it, with this self-reinforcing nonsense.
No amount of linking to accounts from journalists on the ground or involved in negotiations, or CIA documents revealing hoaxes, has ever budged you an inch or convinced you to question your worldview. Evidence doesn’t work on astroturfers.
Ah yes, the classic CIA this and CIA that, sorry if I don’t accept randosblog.blogspot.com or totallyalegitjournalist.substack.com anybody can start a blog and say whatever they want
How can one accept what you say when you glorify dictators, openly handwaved away “reeducation” camps, caught editing headlines to subtlety push aganda and allow known propaganda outlets and when someone says something about it, they’re censored. Hell you guys even deny Taiwan as being a country and everyone against you is just some form of paid agent
Jeffrey Sachs isn’t ‘just some rando blogger.’ And the State Dept and CIA have openly admitted they don’t have the evidence to back the claims you’re making (maybe you should join and share your info with them), and US documents & cables have been leaked backing China’s version of events you still deny.
But you believe MSNBC’s version more than firsthand accounts and leaked US cables.
Thank you for portraying the behavior I’ve accused you of directly in this thread. That’ll save people reading from having to go through your profile to see the madness.
I find it fascinating that at no point did you link or even mention him until now or “these leaked cables” and yet you still don’t link anything. Almost as if you’re banking on people not googling him or something and just believing you outright 🤔
Not at all. I’ve linked the same cables to you before, and you dismiss them. Once I get to a stopping point at work, I’ll come back with the links and previous comments. Or they can look them up on Wikileaks themselves.
I would love for people to look up what Jeffrey Sachs has to say on Ukraine. The guy has been on the ground investigating, and directly involved in negotiations. He is absolutely an authority on the subject.
More completely made up anti-commie shit. It is not popular in any of those instances to think that Russia isn’t a fascist fuckup of a government.
LMAO tons of my official evidence posts link back to, not only the relevant thread, but to the modlog as well in addition to literal screenshots
There are fully factual bases for denying nearly every western smear. That people are invested in hatred formed by US/western propaganda, means all facts and reality are “tankie propaganda”.
Me: Brings receipts
Tankies: “Yea…bu…but… well ACkShuLly it’s just because of your HaTREd as a result of you being fed WeStERn PrOPaGAnDa, so it’s all INVALID! FAKE NEWS!!”
Thanks for the tag!
Your “receipts” include two screenshots of one guy posting links to news sites who wasn’t even from said instance and it had negative vote score. The other is a mod action with 0 context. How you possibly think that represents any popular opinion astounds me.
How do I get your level of entirely unearned self-confidence?
LMAO somebody’s not paying attention, there’s PLENTY of posts in there, all with screenshots with links to threads AND the modlog to complete the context. What I directly linked was but a mere sampling, here:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
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You’re either just straight up lying or you didn’t even check the receipts lol. That’s not even close to what was linked in the original comment.
Many (not all) ml users are fairly rabid when it comes to their own flavor of propaganda. If you ever casually chat with them on Lemmy, just understand that they have a completely different world view so don’t mention things related to politics, country borders, history, government structure, major battles during WW2, sparrow populations or what color the sky is and you should be fine.
Because there’s not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.
It’s not exclusive to ML though.
They’re fascist sympathizers. They like dictators.
Something else I’ve not seen mentioned here is:
It’s pretty easy to see how the admins rule all of the communities while the moderators of those communities seem to be nothing more than flaccid ineffective grunts that do nothing but let it happen.
For evidence, check the modlogs and see that the bans/removals from .ml are always done by the same two people. Then, note how those two people don’t even moderate the communities the comments/bans were issues from. This is not a bias. It’s verifiable by simply checking the logs.
Then, note how most of the bans/removals don’t even violate the rules, but seemingly only hurt the feelings of the aforementioned admins.
They are a walled garden of propaganda-riddled rhetoric.
Additionally, many of the kids that habituate that place come in to other instances and stir pots, debate-troll people, and generally shit all over everything, and then cry and accuse everyone of bias when they get moderated by ACTUAL moderators.
The evidence here, lies in the modlogs of all the people complaints about how shitty .world and other instances are. Check for yourself. See that I’m not lying.
Lastly, I’ve not once ever posted, or commented in a single community of .ml, so unlike them- my bias is driven by real-world evidence, and not anecdotal reactionary temper tantrums.
So, hasn’t there been any discussion about unfedding from lemmy.ml and similar toxic instances?
Most places are defederated from grad and hex already. ML is essentially considered too big to fail so most sites won’t defed from them.
Lots. The admins won’t do it. No idea why but they won’t even address it.
You can see it for yourself.
Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.
For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.
See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of “no xenophobia”.
I think the admins call it “Rule 1.”
Went there first since I consider myself a leftist. Seen multiple thirstposts for Stalin and the likes: pretty picture with a popular quote. Comments all in the realm of “yes daddy”.
I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, just don’t see a point of swapping it for an equally bad form of repression.
Literal Russian propaganda
I’ve only blocked a few ml users but I made sure to block that instance.
Because even as the Earth burns and the Fascists march directly due to the capitalist’s class conquest, domination, and occupation, even many Americans who believe themselves to be politically leftwing think they can dunk on socialists and communists for their “silly” ideologies based in social cooperation and mutual social benefit where… Gasp… You can’t grind yourself to death under the toxic aspiration of attaining immoral levels of wealth to live larger than is reasonable within the finite shared habitat known as Earth.
They of course conveniently forget all the military actions the US has taken over the last century to destabilize nations that wanted to become such societies in order to keep their resource markets open to our capitalist’s exploitation.
Oh, and get ready for the hottest summer of your life… So far! 🔥🌎🔥
Anyone who praises Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and
<insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>
as hard as I routinely see on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad is an awful person and deserves derision, contempt, and distrust. They can call themselves a “leftist”, “socialist”, “communist”, or a whatever-ist. Fundamentally, they’re edgelord bootlickers and temporarily inconvenienced dictators-in-waiting.“wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?”
You can hate “The West”, their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.
Doesn’t mean you should suck dictators’ dicks because they’re “not The West”.
<insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>
Like Dessalines?
Some of these events were egregious and deserve condemnation but tbh 56 “events” in the span of 59 years doesn’t seem all that bad. It’s not like they’ve conquered any of them. Even the Panama Canal was treated as working relationship and eventually the US pulled out of operating it.
US Military Bases are all over the world because those actually do stabilize the regions against outside threats. Without them, some of these smaller nations would not exist today.
Because it’s not cool to be Malian /s
I didn’t knew about this, thanks
It’s capitalist and pro-war propaganda.