Sounds like you have no idea what Germany has been like in their “participation” of these sanctions. Germany has bitched and bitched about this.

That’s ONE way to get Germany to participate in the sanctions…

“Whatcha got there?”
“A gallon of PCP!”
“That’s illegal right?”
“Yeah, a felony!”
“Aaaannnd…here you are with it anyway…”

Pretty sure I nuked my stuff back in 2014, but there’s still a lot of discussion there that Google leads me to about technical projects. So it’s essentially read-only right now for me. I use RES to filter out all the subs that aren’t of interest to me and then browse /r/all from time to time for news.

Honestly, I’m the kind of fucked up person who would joke about something like that…so long as I wasn’t the one who did it.

These guys should be barred from law enforcement positions, and probably suffer the same consequences a normal person would for a car accident of the same caliber. It was clear they weren’t using lights/sirens appropriately either. It looked like they were turning them on/off at lights and if they didn’t see anything they kept them off…

I was a daily CounterStrike 1.6 player back then. I didn’t have a choice. Literally couldn’t play unless I converted over to a Steam account.

Sept 12th 2003 is the date of my account. Tomorrow it turns 20. Very nice.

Hmm I wonder why. Could it be because we can’t fucking afford anything?! Could it be because wealth inequality has been at a high that we’ve never seen before? Could it be because our world is slowly dying and nobody seems to care? Could it be because literal Nazis are roaming the streets and nothing is being done about it?

Listen to yourself right now. Not only are you putting words in my mouth with the “cops are perfect” shtick, but you’re completely dismissing the womans actions. You’re making an excuse for literally everything she did. Meanwhile in my replies, I’ve mentioned and even suggested ways police could have done things better.

All cops are bad. I agree with that. But I don’t agree with “All cops are bad all the time in every situation whatsoever”.

I’m not “pro-life”. Hell, I don’t value human life at all for the most part. Most people are fucking idiot trash. But I do believe that if we’re passing laws that put women on murder charges for aborting, police should be held to that same standard. If they kill a child due to their enforcement actions, that should be considered killing an innocent bystander and should be held accountable for that. (And let’s be fair, the only reason they want to keep people from aborting is because you’re not producing another wage-slave for the nation to work to death)

Also, obviously I wish this situation turned out differently. I don’t want police everywhere to have short-range vehicle immobilizers, because like anything, police WILL abuse any power put into their possession. But on the same hand, I think to myself that maybe if they did have immobilizers, police chases, people running over others with vehicles, etc would be a much more solvable problem. Many police interactions involving cars become dangerous quickly.

Everyone here on lemmy is so caught up in their own preconceptions that they aren’t replying to have a discussion - they’re replying to issue their rebuttal because they’re caught up in an emotional reaction.

Ideally this whole incident could have gone better – but I don’t know of a solution that would give the police the ability to detain this woman with the actions she was willing to take. Except obviously my idea of short-range vehicle immobilizers. But if you give that ability to the police, others will find it and hack it, abuse it, etc. So I don’t think in the long run it would work.

You could maybe equip them with some sort of tire-destroying vehicle immobilizer, something that permanently stuck into the tire - but given how tough tires are, it’s not something that could easily be carried around.

The MOST reasonable idea here was that the police shoot her tires out - but I don’t know the dynamics between bullets and tires so I’m unsure if that would be dangerous to bystanders or not.

Yeah, because that’s what we do when someone is criminally resisting, we…let them go! Are you listening to yourself objectively right now?

Oh there’s a guy who just robbed a bank and shot 2 tellers? Don’t shoot him, just let him go. We’ll just put out a warrant for his arrest and pick him up later!

Wut…

There was risk in letting her drive home. That part is clear. She was already willing to attempt running over an officer. Your argument is that the officer shouldn’t have stepped in front of the car? Seriously? She was told to get out of the car. Not to leave. The idea behind stepping in front of the car is that most people would have the sense enough NOT to try and run someone over with that car. She didn’t. She suffered those consequences.

If a police officer told you to step out of the car and they had someone in front, would you attempt to run him over? I sure as fuck wouldn’t. But because he’s a police officer and you’ve already made up your mind about him, you don’t mind excusing HIS life, and you’ll make all sorts of arguments for hers.

It’s pretty clear that this argument isn’t in good faith from you. You’re not willing to use logic and a baseline of morality on a level playing field across all actors in this event. You’ve discounted her actions, and aren’t willing to even budge on the argument that she shouldn’t do what she did.

Life lesson kids: If you don’t want to get killed by a police officer…don’t attempt to run over them with your car.

I’m biased against the unnecessary loss of life as well, which is why I make decisions that limit the opportunities for it to happen. To place all of the blame on the police here is shortsighted and makes no effort into holding the person accountable for their actions as well.

So in short. She made decisions that led to her own demise. She could have made better ones, and she didn’t. Her death, was a result of the choices she made. The police were within the guidelines they are permitted to act upon. I don’t see anything they did here that could have been done objectively better. I’d have preferred they taze her, but it looked like the window was up in her vehicle. I would have loved for this whole thing to turn out differently, but it didn’t.

I’m just not simply going to place the blame on the police in this situation, as I don’t see them as having overstepped any lines.

Police do terrible, horrible shit every damn day. But I’m not going to blindly react to every public interaction with police in a demonizing manner without looking at the objective reality. The reality of the situation here is that she made the wrong decision and ultimately paid for it. I wish it wouldn’t happen, but I’m not going to fault the police officers for this one. There are many worse incidences to point out, and claiming that this one was one of the bad ones just dilutes the argument when police truly do something out of line.

What do you suggest be done otherwise that would have objectively stopped this woman? What other manner of detainment was available here? Does your solution put others at risk? How can we move towards implementing solutions for police that doesn’t ultimately also put their life at risk when encountering people who would otherwise disregard their own safety?

Yes, those policies refer to fleeing suspects who pose no danger to the public. Fleeing in a vehicle poses a danger to the public. That’s why they pit-maneuver vehicles fleeing on the highway.

Great, they didn’t allow her to break 10mph, it means they did their job.

The deadly situation doesn’t apply JUST to the officer – they are meant to protect the public. It’s just like computer security, someone good at their job doesn’t have anything happen. They stop the problem before it becomes a problem. You’re not good at your job because you LET the system get infected first.

Ditto for policing, you don’t wait for them to hurt others in order to justify stopping them after - they were already being detained. If you begin driving off with pedestrians around and the police want you out of your vehicle, they have a legitimate reason to stop you using whatever force is necessary.

If she is just running away? Hell no, the force isn’t justified here. It’s her being in the car that causes the force to be justified. Same with if a person had a gun, or a knife, she has a weapon…the car.

So you plan on volunteering to be hit between a car and a wall at 10mph to show how not-deadly it is? Because I’ll concede my point if you do. If you don’t want to do it, ask yourself why… it’s probably because a 3000lb object traveling at 10mph can be deadly; despite your protests to the contrary.

Nothing that you’ve stated here can objectively determine that these police officers did anything wrong, your political biases are at play here rather than a good neutral look at reality.

With all of these women being charged with murder for abortions, are we going to see these police punished for killing an innocent bystander (the baby)?

The mother was not innocent in this. A vehicle is a deadly weapon. She fucked around, and found out. I do feel sorry for the unborn child though. I wish there were a way they could have stopped the car non-violently that didn’t violate our freedoms. Vehicle immobilizers that police could use seem a ham-fisted solution – If she was let go, and running from the police as she clearly intended to do, she could have easily harmed someone or killed someone else. Just because you’re ready to jump on the “Poleece bad mkay” train…at least look at this further than just the incident at hand. She was fleeing, and probably panicking. She was a harm to others and stopping her was probably the right call. How else are you supposed to stop someone with a 3000lb death machine in a parking lot full of pedestrians?

Where are the people suggesting what could have been done better here? Because I don’t see them. I see stupid platitudes of “oh you could have let her go and arrested her at her house”…come on. She was a danger to the pedestrians in the parking lot there. If she was allowed to just try and race home, how many other people could have been put at risk because of her panic?

It’s almost like less contrast against a black road or smaller targets are computationally more difficult to detect or something! Weird! How about instead of this pretty clear fact, we get outraged and claim it’s racism or something! Yeah!!

Google has shown that they’re going to go the Microsoft strategy with Browser control. So long as they have majority control, that means they can be as anti-user as they would like, but since everything is downstream of chromium, everyone just basically accepts it. Everything from Google AMP (which was their attempt to take over the web in whole), to their new “Web Integrity API” which aims to lock out any competitors.

Personally I love reading novels of worlds that have no basis in reality. I also love authors that repeat themselves over and over because I have memory issues and can’t remember the last sentence I’ve read.

Oh, and I also love reading novels of worlds that have no basis in reality.

I’ve learned that they really aren’t. I have seen this everywhere all week. All of the extremists of reddit seem to be the ones who hopped over, and they’re just as bad as qtards. Everyone is a troll, everyone is a bad faith actor to them, etc. Pretty much decided at this point that it’s just not worth attempting to engage with people online at all any more.

I wasn’t gonna read the article either tbh; but I embarrassed myself by spouting untrue information based off of the title of an article and being corrected publicly a few months ago so I’m trying to be better about making sure the information I “know” is correct.

According to the article, his lawyer states he was just essentially the landlord where a custodial dispute happened. So it sounds like something adjacent to the crime, such as lying to one of the parents about having seen the kid or something. Honestly, my parents got in custodial disputes, and I’ve even had one myself - I was so distraught over it that my emotions almost landed me in a similar situation. Luckily everything resolved itself (my wife thought I was having an affair due to her “friend” trying to convince her of such), but custodial disputes are not anywhere near ‘child sex trafficking’ levels of evil here…

It’s also not surprising at all that none of the comments thus far have shown any level of critical thought about the article either…