Yesterday, lemmy.blahaj.zone announced their defederation from lemmynsfw.com and argued that lemmynsfw don’t care enough about CSAM.
- announcement: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1204784
- response: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/418317
Although I think lemmynsfw is right about this, that’s not the point. I believe lemmy.blahaj.zone is an instance caught in the positivity echo chamber (to put it more roughly, circle jerk).
You can never interact negatively with their decisions or thoughts. Downvotes disabled. Admin literally removing any opposing view while keeping positive ones.
Check this comment: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/1336587
Admin removed the comment while keeping reply of it and commenting with Exactly this. Dear friend, we don’t know the main comment so how can we agree any of them?
IDK. I think it is very annoying for an instance built on diversity to have such reactions. Is it just me thinking like that? Am I the stupid one here?
Note: Posting this here so admins won’t be able to remove.
Edit: I guess I should add this. IDC should they defederate or not. I just don’t liked their behaviour.
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(This is my personal impression, not a moderator statement.)
From here, this really does look like one admin saw something they didn’t like, and then did not listen when they were told that their first impression was simply not correct.
It’s the not listening that worries me. That’s how biases get reinforced and an initial mistake gets magnified into a whole Doctrinal Conflict.
From the dialog that was posted it sure seems that was what happened: a well-intentioned mistake becomes escalated to an accusation, then to what amounts to “the fact that I could make this mistake means that you are Bad People.”
At no point does the admin involved accept that their initial impression was wrong; they argue instead that it doesn’t matter that it was wrong.
It’s unfortunate, but sadly some double down when they discover they’re wrong. Even moderators.
Especially mods. and even more especially admins.
Fair point, the higher the position, the larger the perceived fall.
The community in question made requests for “child-like” content until the drama started.
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The mod themselves said it was true and you’ve been given links to it multiple times.
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Here’s their discussion of the topic https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/682757
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That doesn’t seem to have been brought up in the discussion prior to the defederation decision; maybe I missed something?
If it wasn’t, then it probably didn’t inform that decision … and it doesn’t affect whether the blahaj admin was listening to what the lemmynsfw admin was saying, or acknowledging that their first impression was a mistake of fact.
From the original post:
a community skirting the line trying to look like CSAM isn’t a line I’m willing to walk
That’s almost certainly a reference to the “child-like” rule
Could be? Can’t tell.
There’s also this: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/1363190
Can’t tell but you’re still willing to make assumptions and make up motivations without verifying anything. Is this community just for drumming up drama and targeting other communities?
You’re stirring the pot. The conversation is over. It’s their instance and they can do what they want.
They can do whatever they want. I’m not critising that part. But removing opposing comments? What?
They aren’t removing opposing comments. They are removing comments from other instances as it’s a meta post about their instance. Opposing comments from their own instance have not been removed.
If you aren’t on their instance your opinions aren’t relevant and this doesn’t affect you.
shrug Part of doing what they want is moderating how they want.
That’s the beauty of federation - if you disagree with an how instance’s admins do things, you can just use a different one and block their communities. Though we’re still missing the option to block an entire instance rather than just specific communities, hoping that feature gets added soon.
So I am supposed to ignore whole situation. What about not doing that? Like if I don’t like the behaviour and want to express myself?
This is not their instance and I am writing what I want. If you don’t like my criticism, you can leave the post lol
Defederating from the porn instance is common sense. It doesn’t matter what your stance on porn is, the way Lemmy works, you will be hosting data from that sub and having user submitted pornograhy is a collosal minefield for liability. What if an underage person uploads pictures of themselves, does that instance have strict id requirements? What if it’s a fake id? The law does not care. You’ve still distributed child pornograhy. What if revenge porn is uploaded? Again the liability is immediate.
Who cares? People can run their instance however they want. Why are your knickers in a twist over it?
Who cares? People can run their Reddit however they want. Why are your knickers in a twist over it?
Different opinions exists. I’m just asking do people agree with it or not.
Reddit is a for profit company, I’m not sure how this compares. They have stakeholders they need to appease. Are you a stakeholder of one of these instances?
If not, this thread amounts to “my uncle like blueberry jam and my mom says blueberry jam is the worst and won’t buy it. How do I teach my mom she is wrong?”
Instances like that that really want to stay closed off to the general public, really should have the option to not show all of their content to all of the Fediverse. It’s true that what they do on their instance is their business, after all that’s why they have an entire instance and not just a community on a random server.
But that post being posted all over the network, especially with the admin behaving so… Well you’ve seen it, no need to call names, obviously attracts attention.
I have to say tho, the other admin has a point. Body shaming of skinny people is absolutely normalised and rarely anyone sees any issue with it. Recently, ageism is ramping up to absurd level as well. It’s like other -isms are frowned upon now, so the society has found a new subject to pile upon. One would thing that the people of blahaj in particular would see the irony.
It does beg the question of why federate at all if you are going to make a walled garden anyway? I would think a private forum would cost a lot less to host too.
People of diverse communities tend to have similar viewpoints on issues does not signify a lack of diversity. Diversity of ideology or opinion is not necessarily good or in line with the ideals of a larger community.
Why does anyone even give a shit about who defederates from who? Pointless drama mongering.
Well sure, be as much of a hivemind as you want, jusy don’t claim to be diverse.
The fact that this criticism exclusively comes from white male right wingers will never stop being hilarious
I know its a tired, over used joke, but did you just assume my gender?!
(I kid, I kid!)
But really, thats just because you’re left wing, hang out in left wing spaces. Self selection bias.
How many black people are you friends with? Bet you do a lot more self selecting.
But yes, I choose to not be around fascists, which the vast majority of American ‘conservatives’ are. This entire argument is just posturing in an attempt to continue to spread vile shit.
Well theres 4 black guys at my model train club, but I’m friends with only one. One of them is kinda of an ass, another is a damn furry (his fursona is a purple dog), and the last guy doesn’t show up often. But my friend is just a cool dude. Loves old passenger steam.
How many black friends do you have? How many brown? Asian? White? Gotta have a friend group straight out of a college brochure.
‘Diversity’ all too often means ‘everyone must agree with me’. It’s unfortunately quite prevalent.
“Look at all these ethicities and genders that all have the exact same opinion as me! So diverse!”
You can never interact negatively with their decisions or thoughts. Downvotes disabled. Admin literally removing any opposing view while keeping positive ones.
I don’t disagree that this is concerning coming from an instance admin. But on the other hand, I can kinda understand where it might be coming from. The admin is a trans woman, and as such I’m sure she deals with enough shit IRL/online with people questioning her very right to exist. I bet anyone would get tired of making space for opposing opinions when frequently those opinions are hateful and dangerous and directed at one’s validity as a human being. I imagine she’s out of fucks all around now and acting accordingly, even in a circumstance that might call for more nuance. I can have empathy for that.
No opinion on the NSFW issue since I don’t want to interact with that content. Just wanted to gently remind that we’re all just people doing our best here.
I’ve been kind of back & forth on posts like this, but I think we’re now at a point where there are other established communities better suited to topics like this.
If you want to discuss other instances’ decisions/behavior, I’m going to begin directing posts to either one of the many fediverse communities, e.g. !fediverse@lemmy.world or similar, or one of several lemmy/fediverse drama communities, e.g. !lemmydrama@lemmy.world or !fediverselore@lemmy.ca. Discussions like this are better suited to those communities as this community is not really intended for venting nor discussion of fediverse decisions/activity (or “drama” as it may be viewed).
Lastly, for discussions specific to Lemmy.World decisions & moderation I’d recommend !support@lemmy.world. I hope this helps to clarify matters, and apologize for the ambiguity up to now, but honestly just hadn’t come to a decision until now.
If you would like to continue this conversation, I’d recommend cross-posting the thread to one of those aforementioned communities (or whichever other ones you find that feel appropriate). Thanks!
Man is lemmy becoming voat? There’s so much bullshit bashing leftists over on this side of the fed
i am starting to see more and more right wingers from what i have observed so far. too many hating leftists, which to me, doesn’t make that much sense. if you don’t want to be in a LEFTIST instance/platform, there’s others ones that will welcome you 100%, or just simply block+ignore these instances. simple as that.
also to point out, i am seeing transphobic sounding statements in this comment section including, by a few certain users. which is in fact worrying in my opinion.
why can’t you people just accept that before you came this was/is a LEFTIST place! accept it or leave. simple as that.
this coming from me, a centrist leaning towards the left. if you want to argue with my, feel free to do so.
The fuck are you talking about?
People like you
No u
That appears to be true, but I don’t see how it matters.
If you don’t have an account there, it doesn’t matter at all.
If you do have an account there, it matters exactly and only as much as you think it does, and only to you. And if it comes to that, it takes mere minutes to open an account on a different and presumably better instance.
I just wish a user can block an instance.
I don’t want a lot of porn, I don’t want the drama that consistently comes out of the other one, I also don’t want the far right assholes, and I don’t want the one that claims to unironically support the CCCP and USSR.
Sure, I can block individual communities, but for all of those instances it feels like someone makes 20 identical subs everyday
I could also make my own and instance and federate with who I want. But we’d end up with everyone doing it.
I don’t want to pick a “cable package” where I settle for a bundle, I want a user to be able to add what they want ala carte
So… subscribe to communities you want, and ignore the rest? Isn’t that how everything works?
Eventually, yeah…
Till then I browse by /all for the volume and block communities (and even some users) I don’t want to see anymore.
If I just browsed by what I’m already subscribed too, I won’t see any new ones, and that’s kind of important when new subs are getting made constantly.
But thanks for your suggestion you put zero thought into, it was a huge help
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For those suggesting the community never had “child-like” in the side-bar please see here: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/682757
Incredibly important to note that the sidebar for the community in question had listed a request for “child-like” content in the sidebar until AFTER defederation.
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Here’s the communities discussion on the topic: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/682757
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People of diverse communities tend to have similar viewpoints on issues does not signify a lack of diversity. Diversity of ideology or opinion is not necessarily good or in line with the ideals of a larger community.
