Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
This is not a necessary conclusion. Omnipotence does not mean the ability to do anything whatsoever, but the ability to do everything that is possible. Since God is Love, he could not create something distinct from himself unless his creation were at least capable of not loving. Evil is simply a consequence of creation’s capacity for unlovingness. So he’s not able to prevent evil even if he’s willing to, but he’s still is omnipotent of the word is correctly defined. If you want to keep the maximalist definition then I, as a Christian, will cheerfully say that God is not omnipotent. But it’s just a wordplay.
I’m ready to respectfully discuss this idea, but will ignore any disrespectful or insulting message.
Ah the Christian apologists final form: “God and the Bible mean whatever I want them to mean whenever it’s convenient”.
God killed everyone on the planet but that’s obviously bad so that story is a myth but all the ones that I want to be true are true.
God says he’s omnipotent but that makes his existence impossible so I’ll just change the definition of the word omnipotent. Thereby admitting that god isn’t even powerful enough to speak clearly in his sacred texts.
Going even further down the rabbit hole and they’ll start talking about how they learned ancient Greek and Hebrew just so they can manipulate the text further. God is all powerful but just really bad at translating words in a book.
You’re grasping at straws. God does not exist and if it does it is evil.
In the Christian biblical sense and beliefs of creation … God created everything out of nothing … which implies that they are capable of creating and controlling everything … the story of Noah is God deciding he didn’t like his creation so they hit the reset button and wiped everyone out
So now we live in a world where so many terrible things are happening … sure there are many good things and good people but there are also an overwhelming number of bad people and bad things making this world very, very uncomfortable … so where is God? Things are worse (or just as bad) now than they were before the biblical flood … so why hasn’t God stepped in to either make things better - or hit the reset button again.
Which then begs the question of the paradox and asks where is God, what are they doing, and why aren’t they doing anything?.. and leads to the ultimate question about God … do they actually exist?
the story of Noah is God deciding he didn’t like his creation so they hit the reset button and wiped everyone out
This story is a myth. God didn’t wipe anyone out. In fact, the story answers your question: the text presents the Flood as a bad thing. The destruction of everything because evil exists is portrayed negatively; that’s why God promises never to do it again. Instead, he promises to walk alongside humanity. For Christians, he fulfills that promise by becoming human and suffering with us.
He had only three choices: to create nothing, to create something completely obedient, or to create something capable of not following his will. He chose the third because it was the best option. But he knew that, in creating it, he was also creating the possibility of suffering. He didn’t wish for suffering, but it was a necessary consequence. In response, he had two options: simply let suffering continue, or accompany his creation through it. He chose the second.
So no, he doesn’t do nothing. He does what he can to help us while still respecting us as independent beings.
But he knew that, in creating it, he was also creating the possibility of suffering
If a being is capable of creating anything and everything from the own will, how could they allow suffering to become reality? If creation from nothing is spontaneous and under their full control, why would they allow suffering to enter the equation?
It either means that creation is something that is not under their full control therefore does allow them to be completely omnipotent … or they chose to create a reality with suffering on purpose which provides for some questionable ethics and morality (why create something that will suffer?)
He didn’t wish for suffering, but it was a necessary consequence
if an all powerful being is capable of creating life and reality out of nothing … then you’d think they would have full control over the process. If there was nothing to start with, then how could side effects like suffering enter the process?
Who are we to say what God can or can’t do … or is capable of or incapable of … maybe they are able to do anything and everything they want and just sometimes does and sometimes doesn’t … or maybe they are just as influenced by the random universe as much as we are
Which means that we can’t know what a being that was at the start of universe is able to do … or even cares.
Omnipotence does not mean the ability to do anything whatsoever, but the ability to do everything that is possible.
Omni - all, potent - powerful/able. All powerful. Having unlimited or universal power. You can of course interpret as you want, but words are words and they have meaning.
Etymology doesn’t work like that, or a pineapple would be an apple that grows on pines. For real, omnipotence is defined by philosophy as maximal power.
The christian god, in the myth, literally and tangibly did things and contorted reality to his will and plans to ensure his/his followers success. He blew people up, attacked children with an army of bears, flooded the earth, and a bunch of other stuff.
Also, according to your shit, in the beginning your god literally created everything. Not most things. Not some things. They claim that your god created all that has been and all that ever will be. How does that translate to “can do what it is possible to be done, but is not all powerful” without some high level mental gymnastics?
Edit: A dude (not jesus) died and was brought back to life, for fuck’s sake.
Religion is believing in myths as literal happenings, otherwise your just bumblefucking around and making it up as you go, which granted is no dumber than any structured theology.
End of the day, this is specifically your take on how it all works and not the ascribed organized christian interpretation of the bible, but it’s all just lying to yourself, anyway, so I really don’t have any more fucks for this idiot assery. It’s all voodoo nonsense as far as this cat’s concerned.
This is not a necessary conclusion. Omnipotence does not mean the ability to do anything whatsoever, but the ability to do everything that is possible. Since God is Love, he could not create something distinct from himself unless his creation were at least capable of not loving. Evil is simply a consequence of creation’s capacity for unlovingness. So he’s not able to prevent evil even if he’s willing to, but he’s still is omnipotent of the word is correctly defined. If you want to keep the maximalist definition then I, as a Christian, will cheerfully say that God is not omnipotent. But it’s just a wordplay.
I’m ready to respectfully discuss this idea, but will ignore any disrespectful or insulting message.
Ah the Christian apologists final form: “God and the Bible mean whatever I want them to mean whenever it’s convenient”.
God killed everyone on the planet but that’s obviously bad so that story is a myth but all the ones that I want to be true are true.
God says he’s omnipotent but that makes his existence impossible so I’ll just change the definition of the word omnipotent. Thereby admitting that god isn’t even powerful enough to speak clearly in his sacred texts.
Going even further down the rabbit hole and they’ll start talking about how they learned ancient Greek and Hebrew just so they can manipulate the text further. God is all powerful but just really bad at translating words in a book.
You’re grasping at straws. God does not exist and if it does it is evil.
In the Christian biblical sense and beliefs of creation … God created everything out of nothing … which implies that they are capable of creating and controlling everything … the story of Noah is God deciding he didn’t like his creation so they hit the reset button and wiped everyone out
So now we live in a world where so many terrible things are happening … sure there are many good things and good people but there are also an overwhelming number of bad people and bad things making this world very, very uncomfortable … so where is God? Things are worse (or just as bad) now than they were before the biblical flood … so why hasn’t God stepped in to either make things better - or hit the reset button again.
Which then begs the question of the paradox and asks where is God, what are they doing, and why aren’t they doing anything?.. and leads to the ultimate question about God … do they actually exist?
This story is a myth. God didn’t wipe anyone out. In fact, the story answers your question: the text presents the Flood as a bad thing. The destruction of everything because evil exists is portrayed negatively; that’s why God promises never to do it again. Instead, he promises to walk alongside humanity. For Christians, he fulfills that promise by becoming human and suffering with us.
He had only three choices: to create nothing, to create something completely obedient, or to create something capable of not following his will. He chose the third because it was the best option. But he knew that, in creating it, he was also creating the possibility of suffering. He didn’t wish for suffering, but it was a necessary consequence. In response, he had two options: simply let suffering continue, or accompany his creation through it. He chose the second.
So no, he doesn’t do nothing. He does what he can to help us while still respecting us as independent beings.
If a being is capable of creating anything and everything from the own will, how could they allow suffering to become reality? If creation from nothing is spontaneous and under their full control, why would they allow suffering to enter the equation?
It either means that creation is something that is not under their full control therefore does allow them to be completely omnipotent … or they chose to create a reality with suffering on purpose which provides for some questionable ethics and morality (why create something that will suffer?)
if an all powerful being is capable of creating life and reality out of nothing … then you’d think they would have full control over the process. If there was nothing to start with, then how could side effects like suffering enter the process?
God is not completely omnipotent, like I said more than once. He can’t do anything. He does have maximal power though; he can do everything possible.
Who are we to say what God can or can’t do … or is capable of or incapable of … maybe they are able to do anything and everything they want and just sometimes does and sometimes doesn’t … or maybe they are just as influenced by the random universe as much as we are
Which means that we can’t know what a being that was at the start of universe is able to do … or even cares.
Omni - all, potent - powerful/able. All powerful. Having unlimited or universal power. You can of course interpret as you want, but words are words and they have meaning.
Etymology doesn’t work like that, or a pineapple would be an apple that grows on pines. For real, omnipotence is defined by philosophy as maximal power.
Then what the fuck is the deal with parting the seas, bombing Sodom and Gomorrah, and annihilating humanity ten times over before we came along?
All these texts are myths.
Every religious everything is a myth, that doesn’t address my question in any way shape or form.
Then, you should explain how in your opinion these texts contradict my thesis, even if they are myths.
The christian god, in the myth, literally and tangibly did things and contorted reality to his will and plans to ensure his/his followers success. He blew people up, attacked children with an army of bears, flooded the earth, and a bunch of other stuff.
Also, according to your shit, in the beginning your god literally created everything. Not most things. Not some things. They claim that your god created all that has been and all that ever will be. How does that translate to “can do what it is possible to be done, but is not all powerful” without some high level mental gymnastics?
Edit: A dude (not jesus) died and was brought back to life, for fuck’s sake.
A myth, by definition, is not something that should be read literally.
Easy. Our world was the one he was able to create.
Religion is believing in myths as literal happenings, otherwise your just bumblefucking around and making it up as you go, which granted is no dumber than any structured theology.
End of the day, this is specifically your take on how it all works and not the ascribed organized christian interpretation of the bible, but it’s all just lying to yourself, anyway, so I really don’t have any more fucks for this idiot assery. It’s all voodoo nonsense as far as this cat’s concerned.
That’s absolutely not what religion is. But stay in your ignorance if you want… You became insulting, so I’ll ignore you from now.