too quick to surrender
Something is rotten in the state.
They got the call.
Doing these things is not easy and they take a lot of time and effort. But from a short look at the article it seems that there were issues with expectations:
the officials were running into formatting issues such as blank pages when opening Office documents in Collabora and vice versa
Like what do you expect when using an ODF first tool for OpenXML (Microsoft Office) documents? Euro-Office would be a better fit, from my ONLYOFFICE experience. It’s not perfect but it’s the more drop-in solution for their use case. It’s sad that this has come to an end because of what a good, experienced Linux user could tell them even before they began.
I see this all the damned time. Some people are obsessed with pages breaking at a heading or figure so they insert manual page breaks all over the damned place.
Even the slightest font kerning difference and you end up with blank or mostly blank page when some manual page break gets pushed to the next page.
Delete the manual page break that never should have been there? Nah, just cancel everything.
It’s like they went straight for the most unintuitive option for MS Office users. Besides EuroOffice, LibreOffice (even OnlyOffice) would have been better.
It’s always going to be a band-aid ripping moment, switching from MS Office to anything else.
When I switched to Linux on my personal setups, it was at a time when Windows and Office were so different to what I was used to, I’d have to retool and retrain anyway. From what I hear from some of my white collar acquaintances, that’s basically coming. I’ve been hearing things like “I wrote this spreadsheet 20 years ago, it’s worked fine for decades, and now it’s breaking because they’re disabling VBA and it can’t run from OneDrive.” So I think we’re going to enter an era when all the things that probably shouldn’t have been implemented in Excel are gonna stop working.
Microsoft’s specification has previously caused problems for other vendors like LibreOffice’s The Document Foundation (TDF) too. There is some controversial history behind this feud between the two formats
No, there was no feud. What happened is that when Microsoft had to create an open document format that everyone could use, they purposefully made their format impossible to implement by anyone. IIRC, The open doc forma spec does it all and is 1500 pages large, whereas the Microsoft format doc is well over 6000 pages long and contains closed parts still anyways.
This is just standard Microsoft strategy and it worked again and dumb fucks again decided to stay married to Microsoft Microsoft because at apparently they love being abused
One thing I hate, but came to understand about governments and big companies, - is that they only leave stuff if it starts falling apart under them due to lack of support and growing incompatibilities.
Because otherwise the “technical problems” in the title can possibly be one Excel spreadsheet that turned out to not be bug-to-bug compatible when opened in LO.
And now I’ve read the article, and with the exception of Collabora instead of LO, this is even dumber, they’ve cancelled the pilot due to “formatting issues”. Even after looking a bit at big companies I think they are f-ng parasites and should have somehow gotten used to those “blank pages”, thank you very much.
That’s an excuse. I say continue the pilot, and fire the focus group of 38 lazy ministerial jerks.
But OK, I’m not a Danish citizen, so please be my guest, you hypothetical Danish citizen reading this, to borrow my opinion.
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Used to work IT at a university during the transition time from Win 3.11 to Win95. The amount of emotional hand-holding (not even so much technical support) involved in getting the admin staff through the process was unbelievable to me at my young age. Now I understand, but back then I was expecting way more “this doesn’t work” or “I can’t find this program” and way less “I don’t know how I’m going to do my job.”
Cause the way UIs look when you want to do a job are discarded as “by programmers for programmers and not normal people”, and UIs making an illusion of things working by themselves by intuition of the user and hiding specific actions are considered “user-friendly”.
UIs intended for people to do their jobs look, as an extreme, like
ed. Less extreme - WordPerfect. XEphem, XGrace, Lisp environments. Those are what you come up with when you want a kiosk, but with a clear idea of a workplace supported by it, or an expert workplace where you do a job.While things like MSO, Telegram, today’s web browsers, and so on - they are intended for people who don’t want specifics. They want the illusion of fuzziness of what they are doing.
Did MS offer them a huge deal?
Only some vacations for deciders.
Yeah, this is how monopolistic digital companies operate. Every time you try and pivot from their bullshit “ecosystem” you encounter “technical difficulties” because they’ve surreptitiously extended their tentacles beyond their products. Getting off of these systems will take a concentrated effort and it’s unfortunate that governments just aren’t willing to do it.
I bet OpenAI and Copilot were the original source of this information.
Says Microsoft propaganda site.
I genuinely, genuinely don’t understand the need for microsoft office. A text editor has sufficed for everything I have ever wanted to do.
Y’all being surprised is the funny part.
I wonder if detecting incompatibilities in rendering docx formatted documents in LibreOffice and Collabora is something that AI models could actually help with. If you had a large enough dataset of various docx (or other Microsoft formatted files) you could have Word and LibreOffice render each of the files and then have the model check the two renderings for differences. If something shows up you could probably use a second model to highlight what elements of the relevant docx file was at fault. That way when something shows up consistently the tool could provide that data to the relevant teams to fix the problem. I think there will always be so many edge cases with problems like this that having humans test at this scale wouldn’t be a good use of engineering time.
What, did they try Win+E and it wouldn’t open a file browser on linux? 🤣
edit: Oh my bad, i read that as Microsoft, not Microsoft office.
This is not particularly surprising since Collabora leverages the Open Document Format (ODF) rather than Microsoft’s proprietary OOXML specification. Microsoft’s specification has previously caused problems for other vendors like LibreOffice’s The Document Foundation (TDF) too.
While it seems elections killed this initiative, the above is why I recommended EuroOffice or OnlyOffice for converts. It has a more MS feel and much, much better support for conversions.
I’m still confused why TDF hasn’t put more time into opening other formats.
