These companies should not be allowed to write their terms of service anymore.
There should be a generic, consumer and company neutral terms of use that all devices and manufacturers need to adhere to.
TL;DW: LG is using very weasely wording to misrepresent what they’re doing, and GN calls their bluff (with data and receipts)
LOL, it’s literally in their TOS that it’s the TV owner’s responsibility to inform others that their voice may be recorded by their TV, and when somebody goes on youtube and informs everybody that their voice may be recorded they freak out.
Normalizing this kind of thing is not okay. It doesn’t matter if its in the TOS, it shouldn’t be a technology in the first place.
You missed their point entirely
That’s such nonsense. We really need some sort of “reasonable person” standard for terms of service. It’s common knowledge people don’t read them, so companies feel free to insert whatever bullshit they want because why not?
Unless you’re advertising your TV’s ability to listen to conversations, putting an expectation on me to tell people the walls are listening is not reasonable.
Subscribing to Disney plus does not mean I agree to arbitration if your negligence kills someone at a theme park.
I should not be entered into a one sided irrevocable contract because I bought a TV and plugged it in.
I would not be surprised if that opt in is required to use the device.
Surprise surprise… By default you’re opted-in. I dunno probably, I didn’t read the article.
It’s dark patterned to be opt-in
That is called opt-out though.
correct! the opt-in is served to the user in the initial setup, hidden in the user agreement screens… and it takes 5 different steps to turn off
I didn’t read it to but probably mandatory otherwise you can not use the tv
You don’t have to opt in to anything. Even if you use the tv as a dumb disply with hdmi only it still spies on you.
And then there are your neighbour’s tvs to still spy on you too.
Just like your FB, TikTok, or Instagram app on your phone, by accepting the terms and using the software, you agree to the privacy violations that come along with it. (At least for now) Though, oddly, Texas (and even more oddly, Ken Paxton) have a lawsuit pending to curtail it.
I made a video on it for my channel if anyone’s interested.
I can say, as an LGTV owner, you don’t have to opt in and your TV will still work as a TV. You just won’t have access to the online features, and knowing how much data you give up by connecting your TV to a wireless network, you shouldn’t be giving it network access anyway.
What did they specifically mean by “opt-in” ? Does simply purchasing the hardware mean you opted in?
I have an LG tv. They ask you to sign a EULA any time the voice command button is pressed on the remote. I hit it by accident sometimes and reject the terms
