Hundreds of Lindsay Clancy supporters, many wearing pink clothing emblazoned with phrases such as “Believe,” “She Needed Help” and “Peace For Lindsay,” gathered Thursday outside the courthouse where she is on trial in the killings of her three children.
Several of the 300 women, and a few men, said Clancy’s story resonated with them and that they wanted to raise awareness about how the mental health system treats women. Clancy’s lawyer does not dispute that she killed the children, but says she should not be held criminally responsible because she was mentally ill.
There are a lot of highly suspicious holes in her ex husband’s story. Guy keeps changing his story every time he gets asked about it. Personally I don’t buy his shit. I think he did it and framed her for it. Even the prosecutors were caught on hot mic saying to each other “He didn’t do this did he?”
Somehow, she was able to go on a manic murder spree she has zero recollection of. She had taken sedatives that should have knocked her out. Her body temperature at the time she was found would have meant she had gone out the window roughly an hour before the time the children were killed.
Her ex claimed he talked to her on the phone where she allegedly admitted clearly that she killed them. But at the time of the 14 second long call, she had alreadly gone out the window, was paralyzed and incapable of speaking at all. When she came to in the hospital, she had to communicate nonverbally.
The most damning part to me, is the fact that 1 minute after her apple watch read her heart rate at 57 bpm, her ex sent a work email from his laptop located in the basement where the children were killed. Even though he is claiming he wasn’t home at the time. Before that came out, he had lied and said their cameras didn’t work because their wifi was down at that time. Also, when the cops came, her apple watch was in her nightstand, not on her. Somehow she took it off and put it away neatly in the middle of a manic murder spree?
The kids had also been tied up using a sailor’s knot, by someone who was left handed. Interestingly, Lindsay is right handed and doesn’t know how to tie that knot. But her ex is left handed, and is an amateur sailor.
On top of that, there is footage of him in two different stores shortly after. And for some reason, even though he went straight between them, he is in a completely different outfit in each place, shoes and all. The guy got remarried like 3 months after this all happened, and if you ask me, that’s awfully short timing. None of it confirms he did it for sure, but man his whole story stinks to me.
Her lawyer did not dispute the claim she did it at the start of the trial. But a lot of this info about the husband has come to light during the trial. Idk where this will all go, but I am not convinced she did it. Statistically speaking, it’s almost always the husband that does shit like this. I think he wanted out so he could go be with his new lover. He probably saw an opportunity to frame her for it when she was begging for mental health help and talked about wanting to harm them and herself. I think he drugged Lindsay, tossed her out the window, killed the kids, and then left so he could come back a little later and “find them”. Also worth noting that he was buddy-buddy with the cops who responded to the call.
I know a lot of people have already decided she’s guilty. But given all of the holes in his story, I just don’t buy it. If you smell smoke, it’s because there’s a fire. And that guy has been lying about several things.
“She loves them deeply,” Cavanaugh said. “She carries immense grief.”
This is reminiscent of the guy who killed his kid by leaving him in a hot car and then killed himself due to grief. She will never escape the memory of what she did because the trial will highlight the entire thing. The media has painted her as a monster. Peace will never be in her life again as she has to live with what she did, regardless of the trial outcome. She will try suicide again.
I mean, it’s a little different. In this case she is demonstrably mentally ill with postpartum psychosis and bipolar disorder. Being committed is probably the best thing that can happen to her, so that hopefully she can get treatment. She literally was not sane when she did it and wasn’t mentally capable of understanding her actions during it.
In the father’s case, the dude was a neglectful layabout who routinely left the kids in the car so he could play fuckin video games without them annoying him. His wife had begged him repeatedly to stop leaving them in the car.
Just saying she was mentally ill is the understatement of the century. The framing of this headline sickens me.
She was in a full on manic episode, desperately trying to get help, and everyone around her failed her.
I agree. The headline and article are so different they might as well be unrelated.
It’s time for our regularly scheduled ragebait distraction murder trial! Whose side will you enter the argument for this time?
They’re getting so much worse at it, it feels so inorganic.
Everyone sucks here
Kara Hurston holds her daughter Prinn, 4, as they join a demonstration in support of Lindsay Clancy outside Plymouth Superior Court, where Clancy is on trial in connection with the deaths of her three children.
Better watch your back, Prinn, 4.
but says she should not be held criminally responsible because she was mentally ill.
This is a giant misunderstanding IMO. Being mentally ill is part of who that person is, if it results in criminal actions, the person must be held responsible. Otherwise we can boil the argument down to that we all are influenced by outside forces, and we essentially don’t have free will. And that would make No one responsible for their actions.
For example: “I was angry because I was hungry.”
Should that be a legal defense?
Granted that if she can be successfully treated, that could serve as an argument to reduce punishment, if she is no longer a danger to people around her. And American punishments are generally over the top sociopathic.
But the idea that mental illness should void responsibility is a huge misunderstanding.
I was once personally threatened by someone with a big knife, claiming he was allowed to do it because he was mentally ill.
I explained to him very carefully, that he is not, and if he attacked me, he would go to prison. He was obviously aware of what he was doing, and I managed to talk him down. But he too had this idea that you are not responsible for your actions, if you can claim mental illness.Part of proving a crime is proving “mens rea”, or “criminal mind.” Not all crimes, but most have to prove that you knew what you were doing was wrong and you chose to do it anyway. The mentally ill defense is to say you couldn’t form that criminal intent. That’s an exceptionally hard thing to prove. If she kept trying to check in because she was afraid she was dangerous, that’s already a sign that she knew she was doing things wrong.
Yes it’s fucked up when there is no help when she knew she was sick, and tried to get help.
We actually have that problem here too, even though we have healthcare for all, psychiatry is constantly short of capacity, and there are long waiting lists.
A severe manic episode, by definition, is uncontrollable and does not produce rational thoughts.
She kept presenting to the emergency room because she knew she was a danger to herself and others and it was out of her control, the hospitals kept refusing to admit her. She needed intensive inpatient therapy, and it was never given to her.
So square:
She kept presenting to the emergency room because she knew she was a danger to herself and others
With:
The psychiatrist testified that Clancy never told her about manic episodes, a criterion for bipolar diagnoses, nor about hearing voices or having other signs of psychosis.
Clancy at times said she was “close” to feeling suicidal, hopeless or like she was going to die, Tufts recalled. But she said Clancy denied having a plan to take her own life or harm anyone else and never revealed — as the defense says she did to her husband — that she had thoughts about harming the children.
And the fact she seemingly told nobody else she felt like she was a danger to others.
Where did she tell anyone about this? Not that the hospital didn’t still have a duty to care for and admit her if she had thoughts of self-harm, but it sure seems like she intentionally lied by omission.
OK That’s absolutely her being responsible, and the healthcare system failing her.
That is something to take into consideration, not the insanity by itself.
