Here’s a little schematic to understand the layout. Help me figure out this mistery, not only to satisfy my curiosity but also to know if the cats in my street are in any danger.

Before reading and to avoid triggering any of you, my cat is fine and he was asking for belly rubs in the sun on my backyard just now.

So, I live in the house with the backyard with the B. My cat occasionally hangs around my neighbor’s backyard too. At curfew, if he’s outside, I come calling and he comes in.

Last night I called him in the backyard at B and he didn’t come but he was replying terrified. I know his meowing and this was “I can hear you, I’m scared, help me”. I couldn’t see him since only my backyard had any light. Every time I called he replied immediately in the same panic. That by itself wouldn’t scare me since he’s very anxious and easily startled. Once he entered the neighbor’s house and got locked in and he was yelling for me from inside the exact same way. But this time was different. The sound came from the outside the house, somewhere around the circle in A. And always from the same exact place. It really seemed he was stuck, he was definitely not budging.

I went around the house through the empty terrain (blue arrow) with a flashlight to see if I could see him and figure what was wrong. As I started moving through the low vegetation I heard and somewhat saw some movement in C in the direction of the arrow. I called my cat again and he was no longer replying. I looked inside my neighbor’s backyard and saw nothing.

I went back into the house. My mother was in the backyard (B) calling my neighbor. She said she saw nothing but heard a huge noise inside the house near the backdoor. The description of the noise sounded a lot like my cat running in panic. After a while looking for him inside and outside we eventually found him hiding behind furniture, peeking very cautiously. It took a while but he recovered. He has no injury or any kind mark of any struggle on his fur.

What I’m pretty sure happened:

  • He was around A completely terrified of something and was not budging
  • At the moment I entered the empty field whatever C was, it ran from me
  • Also at that moment, my little demon flew through the fences and into my backdoor so quick my mother couldn’t even see him and made a huge noise running for his life (as he often does)

What I have no clue and want to find out:

  • Most important, what the hell could C have been?

  • Was my furry murderer frozen on fear or was something actually physically preventing him from leaving

  • How long was he “stuck” there until I came calling him for curfew?

Some relevant information and, since I know some you are against leaving your cats going outside:

  • My cats are indoor/outdoor, as most are here, and they can come and go as they please, though mine mostly stay inside and in my backyard. The cat in question explores just a bit more, but not much.

  • At night, they have curfew and are inside only, and they know that routine

  • It’s a calm street and the cars are slow. Also, for specific reasons my cats are terrified of cars and they even hide when they hear an engine.

  • There are no known cat predators here. This is southwestern Europe in a 500k city suburb. There is a small woodland near here which I know very well and the most dangerous thing there is a hedgehog (I actually had one living in my backyard for a year). A fox is very unlikely since I never saw one here. But I have seen foxes in stranger places.

EDIT: Why does every post mentioning a cat outdoors has to be hijacked by the indoor cat fundamentalists? Really, guys? You have the right to your opinion and even to make your argument. But why you have to hijack every post to say your piece for the nth time? It’s annoying as it is ridiculous.

  • masterspace@lemmy.ca
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    In North America I would guess coyote, in Europe, I would guess a fox or feral dog chased him until he found somewhere to hide from it.

    Could also just be another cat. Big Tom cats have a tendency to chase other cats around.

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      It’s in the suburbs of a major city. I’d be very surprised to find a fox here. I’d very surprised if another cat would scare him that much. He’s not a pushover.

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        I’m also in suburbs of a large city. I literally just saw a fox in my driveway between my house and the neighbor’s house a couple weeks ago. There are also periodic reports of a coyote or two throughout the year. They’re not common to see in a more urban area, but they’re usually around somewhere.

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        26 days ago

        Years ago while living in the suburbs, I was literally stalked up a quiet residential street at midnight by a female fox. I was walking my large dog at the time, and the fox was barking at him. Turns out the fox was in heat and thought my dog was a good mating option. It followed us for several minutes. It was pretty freaky because I didn’t recognize the sound but I could see something from about 100 feet away. It looked kind of like a small dog, but sounded unearthly.

        So basically: foxes can be incredibly bold animals, even in suburban areas. And this theory seems plausible to me.

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          I also think fox is a prime candidate. Never saw one here and I know the woodland pretty. But I have seen a fox in a larger city and very bold one at that. But why wouldn’t my cat just run back home?

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            He might not have known exactly where the danger was, so it just sheltered in place and called for help. Or maybe he just got frozen with fear and scared to move at all.

            People talk about ‘fight or flight’. But a third instinct - freeze - can also happen.

            Either way, I’m glad your cat is okay.

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        26 days ago

        I’ve seen a fox and coyotes in the suburbs of Toronto, a major city of more than a million

        And in the same neighborhood there is a constant stream of missing cat posters

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        I’ve met a fox in the front yard of a B&B I was staying at. Not a big city, but still a city.

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          Oh, I’ve seen foxes in bigger cities. I’m no stranger to foxes. But in this area…not a sign of them…not even in old people stories.

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            Wildlife in cities is an amazing topic. In my old home town, they had wild boars running wild in gardens and in the cemetry. There is even a photo taken by a policeman who met a wild boar in the cities’ pedestrian zone.

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    I’d like to defend the Americans who keep their cats indoors and strongly oppose outdoor cats. If you live in most areas of the US your cat has a good chance of being eaten by a larger predator. It’s pretty normal for cats to be attacked by coyotes, bobcats, feral dogs, birds of prey and even raccoons. All of those predators and worst of all humans in cars, we have a lot of them and we go fast. I am part of a couple community FB groups and they’ll get a post a week of a dead cat found on the roadside. If it sounds like our roads are just covered with dead animals, you are right. There is death on every shoulder.

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      Yes. Cats here should be indoor cats. Even in the city there are raccoons, coyotes, alligators, dogs in people’s yards, and CARS. I let them out briefly and supervised, sometimes, to catch a lizard if they are watching them out the window. Or as others say, occasionally on a harness to wander the garden, and eat a little grass.

      Obviously that’s not always possible, there are feral outdoor cats that sometimes show up, the city has a spay/neuter and release program for those.

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        Oh jeez I forgot about gators, we got fuckin dinosaurs hunting outdoor cats in some states.

        I live in Maine, the primary killer of outdoor cats is cars #1 followed by trucks then the weather. A little north from me bears, bobcats and lynx become a problem.

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      25 days ago

      Indoor cat owner here… I couldn’t ever find my babies like the poor turtle trying to cross the street… People hit animals

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      Yes, I would understand keeping your cat indoors in areas with predators and vulnerable species. There are good reasons to keep your cat indoors especially in places like the US and Australia. Not everything is black and white. There are always risks but when the risk is manageable I prefer to keep my cats happy.

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        I get the idea of risks being managed but when the risk is my cat dying an early death I do not think it is ever worth it. I had outdoor cats for most of my childhood when I lived somewhere with less car traffic and a manageable level of risk. The longest my cats ever lived was maybe 8 years, and she’d had multiple run-ins with other cats that left them scarred and beat up by the end.

        I just don’t think the danger is worth it when the danger is the premature death of a loved one (cat).

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    Coddled cats can be afraid of any animal larger than a baby rabbit, it wasn’t necessarily a rational fear. My last cat was afraid of a cat that was afraid of him, both were very cuddly wusses. When they crossed each other’s paths, they’d both be stuck in place meowing at each other for a very long time, and my cat would ask for help when he heard us.

    When the other cat wasn’t afraid of my cat, things went differently: the other cat would silently look at my cat for a few minutes to take his messure, charge him, and my cat would go up a tree or come running to us if possible. No long standoffs, just a few minutes of noise (from my cat) and then flight.

    Given how long your cat was trapped by this unknown animal, I suspect that your cat’s adventure was probably a non event and that your cat was afraid of something that wasn’t actually aggressive.

    Foxes are everywhere in Europe, also in suburbs and cities. They’re just nocturnal and there’s not that many of them compared to house cats/dogs since they have to fend for themselves. Non sick foxes won’t go out of their way to attack adult cats, even if those cats are afraid of them.

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    OP is in Germany. You can’t even adopt a cat if it’s not allowed to go outside.

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      Not Germany but it’s normal to let your cats come outside as they please (if the place is safe of course).

    • Keine Ahnung aber labern??? Halte deine Katzen drinne und lass sie nicht in die sandkisten und in den sand unter schaukeln kacken. Echt so respektlos und ekelhaft das man auf spielplätzen erstmal alles nach hunde und katzenscheisse absuchen muss

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    Dog probably

    They come in a lot of sizes.

    I know my cat is terrified of them.

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    I know it sounds a bit dumb, given everything, but being able to let the cat go wander would be the main reason I’d want to move to Europe.

    Where I live we’ve got packs of dogs, coyotes further out, and cars and assholes as far as the eye can see. Outside cats here live to two or three years.

    I actually looked into it, but the quarantine is brutal. I just think it’s neat y’all can do that.

    Sorry that wasn’t super helpful. You could always try sticking a go pro on the collar.

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      So can I ask, what general area is this you are referring to, I’m in the woods up here in the US and I have coyotes and bobcats and shit, bears, few mountain lions moving it up north I don’t know if they’ll make it down here but we got a lot of woods. Also a lot of hicks with guns so there is that.

      Cats die in the winter here. So we don’t have that. We do have some Siberian Hogs somebody released, Ted nugent.

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      I’m talking shit to the indoor fundamentalists here, but the fact is that, even here, it is more nuanced than that.

      I’m very lucky since I live in a calm street. There are enough cars to not let my cats be complacent but they’re slow enough to be avoidable. It also helps that both my cats came from the street and both have PTSD towards cars. You won’t find them near one. Even so I try to keep them away from the front door where the road is.

      My neighbors are also cat lovers and all of them are very tolerant of their antics. But I have friends who weren’t so lucky, especially with black cats.

      Also, I have no dogs near me. No wild animals or any possible predator. And my cats are coddled enough to not want to be far from the cuddles. They wait for me in the front door or go lie in the neighbor yard, but most of the time they’re napping in the backyard or in the couch or following me and my mother around. I’m very lucky.

      If I lived in an apartment or a busier road, or had neighbors I don’t know or trust…I’m not sure I’d let them go out like this. But, then again, I wouldn’t have cats in those conditions.

      Even here, you have to look into the surroundings, evaluate the risks and make your own conclusion if it’s safe to let them out. But you are the best person to make that decision, not Ashley Leash or Matthew Catio.

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    I vote fox because you don’t have coyotes or pumas or bobcats or bears.

    You didn’t see it even though it had your cat trapped, which shows that the fact you haven’t seen it before proves nothing. Possibly it’s a different color than you’re expecting for a fox. Hopefully your cat has learned to either stay indoors or be on the alert.

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    If you discover more please let us know. This retelling was better than a lot of movies I’ve seen lately. All the best.

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      I’m now convinced it was just a younger cat that put the fear of god on my little pussy pants.

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      Your children are playing in sandboxes that get shit in and pissed in by outdoor cats. Fuck neglectful parents.

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        am i supposed to rake and dig through every sandbox before i put my kid to play there to check if someones unsupervised animal took a shit in it? How’s that supposed to work?? “Yeah i know you wanna play but dad’s gotta sift the entire sandbox first it’ll only take half an hour don’t worry.” What if my kid is old enough to go outside on their own?? You people just don’t think before you let the animals you abducted from their parent shit everywhere do you?

        Imagine thinking that the problem with catshit on a playground is the parents and not the people that let the animal shit there…

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        It’s a public sandbox with a giant slide in it. And it’s not just the one. Like imagine having to cover up all the sandboxes in the neighborhood with ginormous lids just bc some dingbat doesn’t wanna provide a proper environment for their animal inside…

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          Wow what sad place still uses sand in playgrounds? Like honestly apart from the beach, sand shouldn’t even be a play thing anymore. Damn silica dust, mites, gets in the eyes and scratches em up. Gets into a scrape gets it infected.

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        When I was a kid the neighbor’s cat would come over and try to shit in the sandbox while I was playing in it. Even after being shooed out it would come back and try again. Cats belong indoors just like dogs do unless the owner is out watching them.