In the US and that’s absolutely the norm here. I’d know - I went through it.
Your edit expands the context outside of what we’re discussing - losing 10,000 STEM PhD candidates. People don’t often do part-time PhDs in STEM as they’re not frequently offered. People aren’t keeping their full-time jobs when getting a STEM PhD because that becomes their full-time job.
Looking at it from a super high level, universities apply for funding to complete research, which is completed b graduate students with assistance from faculty. Their tuition is covered to give the graduate student the necessary skills to complete the research while also furthering their other educational goals as time and funds allow.There are often constraints on how and when this research is performed which can make it incompatible with a part-time schedule. The time requirements can also be massive - between classes, teaching, lab research, field research, and being the de-facto lab manager, I easily put in 70-80 hours a week. I even had to sign an agreement that I wouldn’t seek outside work or I’d lose my funding, which ultimately was comical given I wouldn’t have the time
My edit didn’t expand anything. I was already talking about how this affected people’s families and going far beyond simple tuition affording. Even if your tuition is covered you still have to be able to afford to not have a full-time job that pays anything for that amount of time. I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse.
I don’t know how to put this more gently. You’re speaking about a subject that, for anyone familiar with it, it’s pretty clear you don’t know much about, and are getting defensive and doubling down when anyone contradicts you.
It seems like you’re more interested in feeling right than actually being right, and I’m just not interested in wasting my time with someone who would rather write paragraph after paragraph about how other people are wrong than spend 60 seconds first looking online to check if they’re actually right themselves.
My original comment was about what was being lost in addition to those who have a PhD. About their families and what it took from them for that person to get a PhD.
At this point I don’t even think you read my comment. You are being an ass about having tuition covered like that’s all that it takes to get a PhD. You didn’t contradict me you moved the goalpost and won’t accept it when I try to move them back. I literally have family with a PhD in higher education administration who I find far more trustworthy on this subject than a random internet asshole who has offered nothing but “trust me bro”.
The bottom line is that graduate degrees are expensive and tuition is only part of what it takes. If you personally are too blind to see what was sacrificed by others for you to go through this then I feel sorry for those people.
At least I actually read your comments. Even though they didn’t have anything to do with the class war I was talking about and you come off like an uppity douche.
In the US and that’s absolutely the norm here. I’d know - I went through it.
Your edit expands the context outside of what we’re discussing - losing 10,000 STEM PhD candidates. People don’t often do part-time PhDs in STEM as they’re not frequently offered. People aren’t keeping their full-time jobs when getting a STEM PhD because that becomes their full-time job.
Looking at it from a super high level, universities apply for funding to complete research, which is completed b graduate students with assistance from faculty. Their tuition is covered to give the graduate student the necessary skills to complete the research while also furthering their other educational goals as time and funds allow.There are often constraints on how and when this research is performed which can make it incompatible with a part-time schedule. The time requirements can also be massive - between classes, teaching, lab research, field research, and being the de-facto lab manager, I easily put in 70-80 hours a week. I even had to sign an agreement that I wouldn’t seek outside work or I’d lose my funding, which ultimately was comical given I wouldn’t have the time
My edit didn’t expand anything. I was already talking about how this affected people’s families and going far beyond simple tuition affording. Even if your tuition is covered you still have to be able to afford to not have a full-time job that pays anything for that amount of time. I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse.
I don’t know how to put this more gently. You’re speaking about a subject that, for anyone familiar with it, it’s pretty clear you don’t know much about, and are getting defensive and doubling down when anyone contradicts you.
It seems like you’re more interested in feeling right than actually being right, and I’m just not interested in wasting my time with someone who would rather write paragraph after paragraph about how other people are wrong than spend 60 seconds first looking online to check if they’re actually right themselves.
My original comment was about what was being lost in addition to those who have a PhD. About their families and what it took from them for that person to get a PhD.
At this point I don’t even think you read my comment. You are being an ass about having tuition covered like that’s all that it takes to get a PhD. You didn’t contradict me you moved the goalpost and won’t accept it when I try to move them back. I literally have family with a PhD in higher education administration who I find far more trustworthy on this subject than a random internet asshole who has offered nothing but “trust me bro”.
The bottom line is that graduate degrees are expensive and tuition is only part of what it takes. If you personally are too blind to see what was sacrificed by others for you to go through this then I feel sorry for those people.
Fucking hell mate. Not a single shred of self awareness on you, is there?
At least I actually read your comments. Even though they didn’t have anything to do with the class war I was talking about and you come off like an uppity douche.
LOL pretend whatever you need to cope.