No evidence that UFOs are aliens — NASA attempts to make conversations about aerial phenomena more scientific::NASA attempts to make conversations about aerial phenomena more scientific.
Science… making everything boring like usual. Bring back the good ol’ inquisition and the crusades. Let’s spice this shit back up!
I, for one welcome our Scientific overlords to our BoringEutopia
If you think scientific minds would be Eutopian overlords, you’ve never worked in academia.
As a child of an academic (although in the humanities), I would never have wanted my father or his colleagues to have been in charge of anything. Half of them were nuts anyway.
I don’t think science is boring at all. I eat up every new thing the Webb Telescope shows us.
I find it wild that people find explanation uninteresting and boring… Like, I get that it’s exciting to wonder and speculate about things, but I find getting real answers to be the most exciting. Expanding human knowledge is exciting, not boring.
Exactly! I don’t get it. Why don’t you want to learn new things? It’s like they feel that thinking is hard. Maybe that’s it?
Adjust the lens on the Webb to defect sarcasm, buddy.
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Everyone wants X Files but it’s just countries spying on each other and military experiments. Anything fantastical like the mummies are news spectacles meant to drum up publicity. There’s no reason why aliens would match cartoony depictions made up in science fiction. If actual aliens are here it basically means travelling faster than light is possible.
There’s no reason why aliens would match cartoony depictions made up in science fiction.
What, only homosapiens can troll others?
“We don’t know what it is there for aliens” makes as much sense as “We don’t know where it all comes from therefore God”
The thing we aren’t exploring or talking about in mainstream discourse is that UAPs might be terrestrial and non-human.
No, I’m pretty sure that is both being explored and talked about. People try to find natural explanations for these phenomena. Do you have a specific idea that should be talked about?
I had a hard time in another thread just convincing people that the subject of UAPs is worth any inquiry at all.
I am just chiming in because I feel that people who dismiss the topic in general will see this headline and say see nothing to see here case closed people who investigate this are crazy.
Whereas the phenomena is still very much present and should be investigated - for national security and aviation safety reasons at the very least.
Yes but you have to consider how long the government has made a mockery of the topic. Public opinion is still struggling with accepting that the ufos/uaps are actually real. Once they accept that they might start thinking about what it might be.
If anyone is interested, I have posted a very detailed account of evidence supporting the existence of UAP (not aliens).
It contains admissions of their existence by the US government on multiple occasions and throughout multiple decades. I have included footage of UAP confirmed to be valid by our government, and a bunch of declassified government documents on the subject.
I don’t rule out the possibility of alien existence in the universe, and I don’t rule out that such entities could be responsible for the disruptive/breakthrough technology represented in UAP, but aliens and even the origin of UAP are irrelevant to whether or not the UAP themselves exist.
They do, and I have provided a tremendous amount of evidence supporting this from a rational and skeptical perspective.
And since the topic is being mislabeled as crazy Republicans, I’d like to point out I’m left-leaning and I’ve also included quotes and documentation of Democrats’ support of the topic, including Chuck Schumer and AOC. The truth is there is essentially unanimous support from the right and left in drafting UAP-related legislation. This is not a crazy conspiracy theory. It’s not like the anti-vaxxer lunacy. It is reality.
I’m sorry if this sounds like a conspiracy, but I think that China and the boys are really pushing UFO disclosure on social media to pressure the DOD into releasing classified aeronautics research on hypersonic missiles and specialized military satellites- Check out https://www.darpa.mil/ if you want to read more about what technology the military has currently.
Plenty of conspiracy theories turned out to be true decades later.
Of course UFOs aren’t aliens. They are the alien ships, dingus NASA.
K obvs
Unfortunately NASA is not being transparent here. They created a UAP task force and would not reveal who was heading it and when it is released it turns out to be someone who’s spent his career with the DOD/Defense contractors. Not a scientist. Why are we not letting scientists handle this matter?
NASA also says they want to work to destigmatize UAPs and NHI, yet Bill Nelson slanders Grusch (highly decorated US military serviceman) and speaks down on anyone promoting more transparency here. The minimization of Grusch’s testimony all while the DOD is withholding Grusch’s security clearance and essentially stonewalling congress. Lots of reasons enough for us to be suspicious of foul play behind government figures here.
Why are we not letting scientists handle this matter?
Probably hard pressed to find any reputable scientist who wants to waste their time debunking trivial bullshit.
There are legitimate scientific organizations studying UAP, such as UAPx and the Galileo Project at Harvard.
Referring to UAP and not aliens, our government has admitted to having secret government programs monitoring/studying UAP, and other nations around the world have as well, including the UK and France who’ve both opened their information to the public. The US is uniquely secretive, withholding, and obfuscating the subject.
If you want a rational representation of valid information, I would encourage you to read my post. Everything is cited and it contains declassified US government documents and admission of the existence of UAP and secret government programs monitoring them. Again, I’m speaking in regard to UAP (Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon) and not aliens.
You’d be taken a lot more seriously if you dropped the “admission” phrasing.
What would be better phrasing? Acknowledged? It was previously classified and denied, and they have now admitted to the existence of the programs and phenomenon.
The information is valid regardless if people want to believe it. My post is thoroughly cited.
That’s cool man if you want to keep sounding like a dime store Don Quixote. The adversarial subtext of your phrasing will make the majority of people ignore you and will taint the perception of whatever you cite.
Nah, I don’t have a problem with my wording. You’re just jumping to all sorts of conclusions. I’m not responsible for other people’s ignorance and unwillingness to challenge their beliefs.
My argument is logically sound and I don’t feel it comes off like the mad scrolls of some Q-anon nut job whatsoever. I think your hang-up and useless criticism here is just a reflection of your emotional maturity level and propensity for emotional reasoning. I presented factual information with logical reasoning. You’re emotionally reasoning here.
If someone is unwilling to even open a lemmy post link and instead writes it off without any consideration, that’s just a reflection of their own ignorance and unwillingness to challenge their beliefs.
I don’t feel the need to tiptoe around the facts, and there’s always going to be people unwilling to consider the information. I’ve already done a hell of a lot, compiling all of that information and that write-up. But I’ll be sure to remember that you don’t like the way the information makes you feel next time.
Nah I was trying to help ya but it sounds like you might be closer to the mind set that I was trying to help you not sound like.
There are legitimate scientific organizations studying UAP
Tell me when they have something tangible that isn’t “here’s this thing on video that we can’t identify”. We’ve been collecting data for >80 years so I’m sure there must be something by now? Or is “fuzzy photography” the extent of it?
The term UAP, or Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon, is what has been used by the US government in referring to these objects, as the term UFO has a very apparent stigma attached to it.
UAP has the same stigma as well. You can’t say "Oh, it’s Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon while winking and nodding about aliens and hinting at conspiracies. We know what you mean.
Decades of “it might be aliens” when looking at blurry and out-of-context videos and photos deserves the stigma. It’s not aliens. It’s never aliens. All we have is “we don’t know what that thing was.” Until we do and then it’s an insect close to the camera, an internal reflection on an SLR lens, another aircraft, etc.
To jump to the conclusion that aliens is even an option is ridiculous given the number of crap we have in the skies today.
You’re clearly uneducated in the topic if you think a bug on lense is responsible for these crafts when there have been many instances in which radar has verified recordings and/or eyewitness reports. That rules out bugs.
And the UAP have been measured at temperatures that rule out birds or other warm-blooded animals.
There’s enough evidence that exists to make the belief that these physical objects exist rational and reasonable. Just because you haven’t honestly evaluated the evidence for something doesn’t mean that evidence doesn’t exist.
You’re clearly uneducated in the topic
Ugh. Just… Don’t.
There’s enough evidence that exists to make the belief that these physical objects exist rational and reasonable. Just because you haven’t honestly evaluated the evidence for something doesn’t mean that evidence doesn’t exist.
Evidence for… WHAT?
Crafts that our government has stated are not our technology, that are capable of outperforming our current aircraft/war machines, such as the F/A-18F Superhornets in the Nimitz Event.
That should be concerning to people if that air superiority exists in the hands of a possible adversary. There is also the aerospace safety hazard posed by UAP that affects both commercial and military aircraft, where there have been many reported cases of near-misses.
The Pentagon’s Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) was mandated to produce a report on UAP, and stated in their report that:
Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation. … UAP clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security. Safety concerns primarily center on aviators contending with an increasingly cluttered air domain. UAP would also represent a national security challenge if they are foreign adversary collection platforms or provide evidence a potential adversary has developed either a breakthrough or disruptive technology. [11]
Of the 510 total UAP reports studied by ODNI, 171 remained “uncharacterized and unattributed,” and “some of these uncharacterized UAP appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities, and require further analysis." [11]
Not only has the US government confirmed that UAP exist, they have acknowledged that they pose a serious safety risk to our pilots; both commercial and domestic.
Crafts that our government has stated are not our technology
We have those crafts? That would indeed be news to me.
Not only has the US government confirmed that UAP exist, they have acknowledged that they pose a serious safety risk to our pilots; both commercial and domestic.
What is a UAP? I’m not being academic I’m trying to get at the heart of the discussion. Let me rephrase this to show my point:
Not only has the US government confirmed that things reported by pilots and sensors that we don’t recognize exist, they have acknowledged that they pose a serious safety risk to our pilots; both commercial and domestic.
I’m on board with that. If a pilot reports seeing something you want to find out what it was. Could be a bird, drone, meteor, internal camera refraction, part that fell from an aircraft, space debris de-orbiting, etc.
Okay. So what? It’s not aliens. It’s unknown by your definition.
Right now the US military and NASA is in agreement that UAPs exist, there’s thousands of citizens interested in UAPs/NHI, yet not a single scientist in the past 75 years wanted to find the answer to what these UAPs are?
Science in itself is debunking trivial bullshit until you find a rock solid solution and right now we don’t have a solution.
I think NASA’s and the wider scientific community’s stance on this is less “Not a chance.” and more “If you really want us to look into this, you have to fund it.” No one is volunteering to be the official “It’s not aliens.” guy and get death threats from conspiracy theorists and shit.
And the question for us should be “How much tax money should we spend on this?” rather than “Do we want an answer?”
The answer? You think there is only one? UAPs are a hodgepodge of anomalies. They’re not a single phenomenon. There are people in various fields who would and do study them. Odd things on a radar will certainly be of interest to radar manufacturers for exqmple.
But we all know what people mean by UFOs, er., UAPs. “I’m not saying it’s aliens. But it’s aliens…”
Spoiler: it’s not aliens.
who’s spent his career with the DOD/Defense contractors. Not a scientist.
Imagine thinking the DOD doesn’t have scientists…
Ofc they do but they’re compartmentalized as hell.
Why do you think Bill Nelson himself is a career politician, not a scientist? These are political figures in these positions, not scientists.
