This godforsaken country is introducing the bill that allows to strip people of birth-given russian citizenship for some things - like desertion and discreditation of army (which happens every time you question war)

So, my question, if someone loses all citizenship, what happens next? Is their life basically over? Is there a way to re-gain citizenship (like, in another country)? Can they be deported?

    • Lotus Eater@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      9·
      2 years ago

      Asia and the Pacific - 1.582 million registered

      Africa - 715,089 registered

      Europe - 570,534 registered

      Middle East and North Africa - 372,461 registered

      Americas - 2,460 registered

      These are really interesting numbers, I wonder if it has to do with immigration policies

      • Drusas@kbin.social
        6·
        2 years ago

        A lot of it has to do with racism and not allowing full citizenship rights to minority groups.

        • hemko@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 years ago

          A huge reason I’d assume is soviet occupants in post-soviet countries. Correct me if I’m wrong here, many of Russians from soviet era living in Baltics with no Russian citizenship and haven’t applied and passed local citizenship, are stateless. This is due to requirements like knowing the local language

      • Deuces@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        Okay, my initial reading of these numbers were that the Americas must be shit at accepting people, then I did a short wiki dive and it has this:

        Jus soli in many cases helps prevent statelessness.[11] Countries that have acceded to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness are obligated to grant nationality to people born in their territory who would otherwise become stateless persons.[12][a] The American Convention on Human Rights similarly provides that “Every person has the right to the nationality of the state in whose territory he was born if he does not have the right to any other nationality.”[11]

        And now I’m thinking maybe the numbers are so low in a good way?

  • Mic_Check_One_Two@lemmy.world
    52·
    2 years ago

    You become stateless, and it’s a legal nightmare. Most countries won’t deport you, because they have nowhere to deport you to. But some countries like Australia will detain you until you get citizenship elsewhere. Sort of a catch-22, where you need to apply for citizenship to get out of prison, but can’t because no country wants to grant you citizenship because you’re in prison. The act of being stateless in itself isn’t a crime, but living somewhere without a visa is, and some countries (like Australia) don’t automatically grant visas to stateless people without some other reason like a refugee application.

    Prior to the 60’s, it used to be much more common, because most countries use a legal concept called Jus Sanguinis, which basically means that citizenship gets passed from parents to children via birth. America, on the other hand, uses something called Jus Soli, which grants citizenship based on you being born in the country. But if the parents aren’t eligible to pass their citizenship on and the country they’re in doesn’t practice Jus Soli, then the child would be stateless. Back in the 60’s, most Jus Sanguinis countries agreed at a convention to provide emergency citizenship to individuals who would otherwise be born stateless.

    These days, the largest causes are typically financial/records keeping issues in third world countries, or are due to politics like you’re describing. In the former, imagine a Jus Sanguinis country where you need to prove who your parents are. But they don’t have copies of their birth certificates or your birth certificate, and you don’t have money to get new ones. There’s also an administrative fee when you try to file the paperwork, and you can’t afford it. In the latter, it’s often due to good old fashioned racism. Certain ethnic groups being denied citizenship (like the Uyghur Muslims in China, or the Koreans in Japan following world war 2.) It’s also commonly due to authoritarian governments stripping citizenship for arbitrary reasons like you’ve mentioned. Russia isn’t the first to strip citizenship; It’s also common in parts of the Middle East.

    • athos77@kbin.social
      8·
      2 years ago

      America, on the other hand, uses something called Jus Soli, which grants citizenship based on you being born in the country.

      I would clarify this from “America” to “most of the New World”.

  • Solivine@lemmy.world
    47·
    2 years ago

    I honestly don’t know, I remember someone got trapped at an airport once because their country stopped existing while they were there

      • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world
        24·
        2 years ago

        Are you talking about The Terminal? Unless he made a second movie about the same guy, the word"documentary" seems like a stretch.

    • Something Burger 🍔@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 years ago

      This is so infuriating. The country didn’t disappear overnight. The land is still there, they could have sent him back. Even if the country was nuked to ashes, they could just accept him as a political refugee.

    • PopularUsername@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 years ago

      It was someone suffering from a mental illness or personality disorder. They went out of their way to be stuck at the airport. Refused help from family, refused help from a reporter who actually went through the trouble of proving his citizenship. He wanted to be at that airport and live that life.

  • Gutotito@kbin.social
    3·
    2 years ago

    I mean, in Russia, anything is possible, but in any country that respects the rule of law, you’re a citizen if you pay taxes.

    • scytale@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      2 years ago

      There are tons of people (legally) working and paying taxes in the US and aren’t citizens. I get what you mean, but…

    • Drusas@kbin.social
      1·
      2 years ago

      I don’t know if that’s true anywhere, but it’s not true in either of the countries I’ve lived in.