I know of someone who says they listen to Joe Rogan podcasts (political I assume) but I don’t know what this means or what the connotations are. Both this person and I live in east asia.
Joe Rogan is a clueless buffoon, and admits such, and leans libertarian. He also thinks he’s a neutral philosopher and doesn’t recognize his subjectivity.
A lot of uneducated people think they’re enlightened by listening to him but most of the time the show’s material is not really based in reality.
could you give a few examples? This person was listening to something about Joe Biden
His recent viral moment discussing Biden was about how he’s no longer lucid, and shouldn’t be let to run for a second term. His guest was trying to say how much worse trump was, but Rogan doesn’t really think either ought to be president in 2024.
any chance you could give a time period for this? was this a few months ago? this might have been what they were listening to
The most recent viral moment I can remember is the Bill Maher episode from Sept 2
Here it is, jumping in talking about Biden https://youtu.be/4btqj2Ghk04?si=Ug6eNsPM67kcatDN
Wow… Maher on Rogan.
That’s such a mass of overconfidence bias in one place that it seems like they should’ve collapsed into some sort of Dunning-Kruger singularity.
thank you!
You’ll see him try to criticize Biden but Maher doesn’t let him, because he just keeps going back to how much worse trump is. While probably correct, Rogan just wanted to dump on the prez without talking about trump, and Maher can’t seem to do that.
Because that’s always what Joe wants to do. Maher bringing up Trump was a breath of fresh air and a conversation Joe has tried to avoid.
He’s pushed pseudoscience from ice baths to loonie egypt bullcrap to just about all of the facebook posts your grandpa shares around with no critical thinking at all, conspiracy theories, discouraged young people from getting the vaccine, given a blank check of a platform with no opposition or fact checking to climate skepticism, transgender hate in sports, made LOTS of racist comments that just keep popping up, liberal use of the n word, fearmongering some slippery slopes about “the wokes”
I immediately assume that once someone brings up Joe Rogan they are easily susceptible to authoritarian propaganda and should be avoided.
Rogan brings on guests who argue in bad faith for topics which they are unqualified to comment upon. They provide no evidence and Joe immediately agrees with whatever random bullshit they spew out. Doing this creates the image of credibility (big podcast man agreed with psycho, maybe I should agree with psycho), and since perception is reality that image has value.
I don’t know but if someone told me they listened to Joe Rogan, I would assume, the best case scenario is they are Libertarian. Worst case is Qanon nut job.
i don’t think he (the person I know) is a qanon, i don’t really know what that is but i don’t think we have those kind of people here in asia (our politics are focused on different things)
He is a right wing extremism gateway. Also an antivaxxer, but I repeat myself.
He wasn’t originally. He examined some pretty neat subjects. Such as aliens and effects of marijuana and other recreational drugs. Amongst many doctors and experts on niche subjects that were interesting.
But somewhere around episode 500 shit started getting wonky. I just stopped enjoying his podcast.
Yeah I don’t remember exactly when he went completely off the rails, but early on it was just a chill podcast that talked about the kinda shit you’d bullshit with your buddies about
This is exactly what happened to a friend of ten years of mine. Exactly; he was the gateway drug to this: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/aug/02/everything-youve-been-told-is-a-lie-inside-the-wellness-to-facism-pipeline
mom, I’m seeing Nazis everywhere again
Well first his show is one of the biggest podcasts in existence and spent a lot of time at the #1 spot - it’s not just a new thing.
Compared to other career interlocutors we might name from old media like Barbara Walters or Michael Krasny, Joe Rogan is a major step down on intellect. He doesn’t really prepare for interviews - reading the subjects book or whatever. He just wings it and spends a lot of time nodding and saying “wow.”
This is a problem when he invites on guests who spew misinformation. Joe doesn’t know it’s misinformation because he doesn’t research. And in fact he seems to think he’s a rebel journalist who hosts people that others want to silence. And he himself falls for many conspiracy tropes, frequently throwing out phrases like “they don’t want anyone to know this.”
So you’ve got a big dumb show full of misinformation that reaches a lot of young people. This is a problem for a lot of folks.
Others love Joe and find his lack of intellect relatable. He’s just a “regular Joe” to them. Maybe they don’t want a fancy interviewer who’s read all the books. Maybe they want someone just as uninformed as them so the information conveyed in the interview arrives at their level.
Sadly, Joe’s now hosted many of the top minds in the world. People like Neil DeGrasse Tyson just see him as a podcast host who’s popular with the youths. So why not go on his show. These people have boosted his numbers even more and legitimized him. Then he brings on a vaccine denier and it all goes to shit. He seems to thrive in the criticism, too, doubling down on the fact that he wants to investigate the things everyone else wants to bury (when his critics say he’s just giving the worst people in the world a platform).
Nah you’re looking at it all wrong. Nobody watches JRE for Joe, they watch it for the guests.
Joe is pretty close to a blank slate, once you hear him long enough and besides a few exceptions where he intends to be ""hostile “” the whole interview he just will essentially smile and not and just ask exploratory questions you would expect from a Bernie loving stoner (although now he’s in his Texas conservative friends arc). He’s a meat head but it works to his advantage in what I like to call the “one hour test”.
A lot of the people who come on his show (let’s say to say the earth is flat). They’re used to getting immediate pushback and arguing. But Joe is usually like yeah cool, tell me more about the rocks, wait but how does the sun work? What’s on the bottom? Typical softball questions.
I’ve found personally after about an hour these types of people just plain run out of material to talk about that they’ve really polished to sound convincing and the real crazy starts to come out. There are quite a few where they start out with like “according to the water mark striations on the Egyptian riverbed” and you’re like this is interesting…an hour later they’re like “you see the energy gets focused at the top of the pyramid, and they had secret technology that the illuminati hold in secret…” it’s fantastic. They can’t help but drink in that they’re going completely unchallenged on the biggest podcast of the world, and then, the pride before the fall, they step too far and you realize how crazy they are and it all comes crashing down.
If that’s too much time for you to listen to, I understand it’s not for everyone. But it’s good to have under your belt imo just because it’s just like the old Oprah show. It’s a great water cooler background discussion. People know and talk about it (how much they love or hate it) and it’s an easy pop culture win in my book.
You make it sound like he just uses the Socratic method to give weirdos the rope they need to hang themselves. And maybe that’s true for a sophisticated audience who already come in with solid critical things skills in place. When they don’t, as is often the case for his under-25 audience who are still coming up, the appearance is that he treats them as legitimate - the same as he treats NDGT.
Even if what you’re saying is true, you’re implying there are “dangerous” ideas that can’t be discussed because someone might believe them. I don’t really believe ideas should be coddled. If these ideas just take over the minds of the impressionable then surely something else will do the same shortly. The exposure rate to ideas in 2023 is very quick. Just because someone has serious beliefs in astrology over astronomy doesn’t mean that we compromise one of the key ideals of being an American.
OMG now you sound like him. “They want to silence this!”
I said nothing about disallowing discussion. Or any other action that should be taken. We have someone here asking what’s up with JRE and I’m telling them. Are you trying to silence me!!! You want to censor this!!!
But more seriously:
Is it possible for media to spread disinformation? Can that be dangerous?
These are unambiguous “yes” and “yes” answers. And that’s what happens with this show. Period.
Lol nobody is silencing him, he’s getting paid 100 mil from Spotify and has creative control.
And he’s podcast not the news. I’m pro podcast just like I’m pro fediverse. The fact an independent creator can reach such heights should be celebrated. But as much as you want to be uncle Ben from spiderman, just because his podcast becomes popular doesn’t mean he now needs to change how he is.
Dudes been talking about ufos for years but now is that no longer “disinformation” because congress had a hearing on it?
So dumb. If people want to talk about ghosts and goblins let them. If this is more of a “we have to stop hateful ideology” thing, It kind of sounds like you need to listen to someone like Daryl Davis a bit.
One way I celebrate his great heights is by treating him as the major media source he is. You want to have it both ways: celebrate his massive success but treat him like just some jackass talking about conspiracies. #unclebenwasright
I stop listening to anyone who uses the word “misinformation” unironically.
You know that’s a real word that applies to things right? If someone is saying the earth is actually flat and making up things to prove it, that’s misinformation.
It’s just used as an excuse to shut down speech the government/tech companies don’t like because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
So what if someone believes the earth is flat, let the people hear and decide for themselves. That’s a bedrock of democracy, people are capable of making decisions for themselves. Not you or anyone else has a right to tell them what to believe or filter down the information they get.
No one is shutting down anything, they’re using their speech to classify things as misinformation. You’re allowed to note things are lies or untrue just as much as the people spewing it. There’s a reason regulations and rules exist in the first place, you can’t just lie about ingredients in food for example to protect from harm.
Regardless, misinformation is a real word that applies to things. If you tell someone that says they heard “if I drink bleach it’ll cure my cancer” that is not true and is false information (which can cause harm), there’s nothing wrong with that.
I can’t believe you would tell on yourself like this
lol this ain’t the flex you think it is, chief.
Joe Rogan is a bigot. If your friend subscribes to bigot content, they probably harbor some bigoted beliefs. Any sane, non-bigoted person would recognize the fucked up shit that gets platformed on Joe Rogan content, and promptly unsubscribe.
well, i don’t know fully. neither of us speaks english as a first language
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You mean our comment threads are crashing the post somehow?
It gets in the Rule 5 area. Already removed enough comments.
Users kept calling people bigots without evidence, but you’ve only removed the comments requesting evidence of bigotry rather than the unsupported original insults.
That reaction is not in accordance with the posted rules of NSQ.
Its against the rules that i didnt banned you both. The first one is personal opinion. The rest was just insulting. And not relevant to the post.
Thanks for responding, by the way
The first comments by the other party are unsubstantiated accusations, I agree, although my first reply is a direct contradiction providing evidence from within the podcast they mentioned.
After that, the person called me a bigot and gaslighting, words they are using incorrectly and have no evidence for, which I pointed out.
I understand if you are basing this decision on your personal opinion of rogan, but this person is just name-calling without evidence, baiting comments(against NSQ posted rules) and I’m providing contradicting evidence to their incorrect and unsupported name-calling.
Thank you.
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Bigot is a strong word for him. I guess if you are pro-trans athletes in sports you would find him that way, but I can’t really think of other issues where he expresses close minded views? Fucking guy learns and changes his mind when presented with evidence, which is a huge reason I can listen to him. Even if some of the subjects and guests are kinda fucked up or dull or misinformed.
Like, tulsi gabbard last week reading a thing from the UN and totally either misunderstanding it, or worse, twisting it into saying something it 100% wasn’t. And Rogan was just kinda like “I dunno maybe” as he’s not very confrontational, very often.
I mean off the top of my head, he laughed at a friend who “joked” about coercing women in to giving blowjobs by threatening to withhold gigs from them, he’s hosted Jordan Peterson and Matt Walsh, the first “merely” transphobic, the second, a self confessed fascist and transphobe. He’s also suggested that supporting trans folk is a sign of society collapsing
As the person you’re replying to said, if someone subscribes to Rogan, they likely hold some bigoted beliefs, because the guy is absolutely a bigot, and actively chooses to spotlight and empower other bigots
The connotation is that Rogan is an idiot who might be a decent guy, but he will say and do anything to prevent his guests from being pissed at him. This includes, but is not limited to, agreeing with some of the most toxic, misogynist, people you probably know.
Joe Rogan is in the business of making reactionary content for people who respond (regardless of whether that response is good or bad) to reactionary content. A bit more advanced that YouTube videos of prank fake bank robberies or filling a car with cement. But still in the same vein. He says things about hot button issues that I don’t necessarily think he believes just to be controversial. He also tries to legitimise those opinions (even ones he doesn’t believe in), and his fans believe him and therefore hold him in high esteem.
There is the potential for the person you know to like him or his show because it’s absurdist in content. However it’s more likely that they like it because it feeds certain biases of there’s. A world view that they embrace that doesn’t necessarily match reality. The politics in your country may not be the same. But the politics in the US definitely have an effect on just about every other country in the world. Not all of Rogan’s takes are political. He spreads a lot of general misinformation. I wouldn’t be surprised if your acquaintance was just looking for validation in his content.
In the way that white middle class housewives watched Oprah, white fitness bros tend to like Joe Rogan for all the same reasons:
Its where they get their news, their political misinformation, their performance enhancement drug info, and their pseudoscience wellness products.
Used to be Art Bell, then a breif flash of a Johnny Carson … that got turned into an Oprah.
And now it seems, from afar, to be filling the vaccum formerly occupued by Alex Jones.
Why would you do art bell like this lol. I get the conspiracies but he wasnt only boosting the right wing like the rest.
Most of the first thousand were either comics, bjjbros, or guests from CoastToCoast.
The McKenna brothers, Ghram Handcock before the fame, etc.
It was kinda neat then.( Except for a few of the regulars.)
Im just a sucker for coast to coast tbh though most of my life its been George Noory
Rogan has 2-3 hour interviews with people from every walk of life but got obsessed with COVID misinformation.
Rogan has explicitly supported gay rights/marriage, drug legalization, prison reform, and other leftist positions, but recently appears to have become swayed by right-wing talking points to the point that he is unnecessarily confrontational.
He has some amazing podcasts in the bank with amazing people, and has some newer podcasts that are garbage. He has like 1500 3-hour podcasts.
So look up some of the athletes, the biologists, the astronomers, geologists, a lot of interesting non-political podcasts before covid happened and you’ll probably learn a bunch of interesting things.
But anything remotely political in the past few years is pretty rough to the point that I haven’t listened to any of his podcasts since.
Ask them their stance on apes. If they stay an ape could mess a dude up theyre probably just into martial arts. If they say something racial they are probably racist. And maybe you shouldn’t be friends with them.
To my knowledge the Rogan community is strong advocates of the idea that most other great apes can beat us up.
i actually can’t tell if you’re serious or joking lol
I often can’t too.
Thst thing’ll rip your arms off, bro
What if their response is “unzips Dicks out for Harambe”?
Guys a tool and gives an audience to losers who don’t deserve one, but in all honesty his interview with Brian Cox is magnificent. Though, that has got more to do with Brian than joe whose role was to be the subject of the ELI5’s.
More right wing than left wing. An anti vaxxer to a degree.
He told people repeatedly to take ivermectin, was critical of masks, downplayed the severity and impact of Covid and has guests like Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson and Matt Walsh.
For me, it kind of depends. If Rogan is interviewing an actor, comedian, or MMA/UFC fighter, he’s more in his element, and the interview can be alright. The problem is he’s kind of an “all sides” show and he doesn’t really understand all the stuff some of his guests pedal. This is problematic when he has folks on pedaling stuff where he doesn’t recognize and call out the potential toxicity. A good example is someone like Jordan Petersen. A guy whose credentials would seem to indicate he knows what he’s talking about. In reality, a lot of the MRA-adjacent BS he spews sounds somewhat reasonable, if a bit “edgy,” on its surface. Petersen knows it isn’t actually backed up by any research (which is where his credentials are), it’s just his musings that he’s found an audience, and quite a bit of money, espousing. This is a problem because Rogan doesn’t usually call this stuff out for the dog whistle that it is, and he has a massive audience.
FWIW, I haven’t listened to him in years, and didn’t listen to him very long to begin with.
I feel like this is the type of question that needs to be asked on different platforms to get a proper feel for what people think about the guy. You won’t get an objective answer from any one place.
