Leaker yeux1122 says that Apple Store staff have been told to make sure iPhone 15 buyers know about the change…
I don’t get it, current charger is usbc out. The current charging cable is usbc to lighting. Why won’t the included cable work with the old charger? New cable should be just usbc male on both ends. What am I missing?
Apple is trying to claim it’s the fault of regulators that usb-c to lightning cables will be useless e-waste despite being the wankers that chose to use lightning instead of usb-c in the first place.
Lightning predates USB C by like two years
But not USB as a standard it doesn’t. They still chose proprietary over standard because wankers.
Micro usb fucking sucked. Being a standard doesn’t mean shit when the standard is shit.
Nah, they didn’t suck.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Lightning cable specs were identical to micro USB.
Other than, you know, the connector. The thing most people care about. Most USB-C cables today are usb 2.0 still anyway so they have the same spec as Lightning.
Micro usb was non reversible, the little pins broke all the fuckin time so the cable wouldn’t stay in the port, and the connector would damage the port itself so you’d just be fucked.
Lightning was miles ahead of that. It was reversible so it literally didn’t matter how you put it in. There were no fragile little pins to hold it in so it lasted a lot longer, and since the internal pins in the port were all on the sides of the port it was a lot harder to damage the port itself. If the cable got damaged you could just replace it without worrying about the port.
Lightning was better than micro and mini usb in pretty much every way.
Lightning cables are notorious for breaking. https://you-well.co.uk/why-apple-cables-break-so-easily-what-to-do/
So what is there left to say about it…that you don’t have to look at the port before plugging a lightning cable in? Is that your justification for saying the USB standard sucked?
Most USB-C cables today are usb 2.0 still anyway so they have the same spec as Lightning.
Modern PCs have 3.0 ports. Androids have 3.0 ports. 3.0 cables are available at any online store. What the actual fuck are you talking about?
Sure, but that moves us out of a conversation about e-waste
Yep, the e-waste conversation is bullshit apple propaganda because they aren’t happy about playing nice with competitors and losing proprietary control of their connectors despite it being the same e-waste as if they were upgrading from or to any other standard.
Eh, at the time they went with proprietary over micro usb to have a reversible port that could push more wattage. I feel like they’ve been dragging their feet because consumers hate changing to new cable standards. I remember the complaints when they moved away from the 30-pin to lightning. They’ve been putting USB C on devices for years now.
I remember the complaints when they moved away from the 40-pin to lightning.
Are apple consumers more prone to this complaint than the rest of us? Since I’ve had cell phones I’ve moved from USB-mini to USB-micro to USB-C. Every time it was a better change. This is just as many as apple is being asked to do except now they get to benefit from all of the 3rd party cable manufacturers.
I was a bit skeptical of your statement, because it FELT like they came out at the same time; but you are completely correct. The iPhone 5 with lightning was released Sep 2012, and the USB-C standard was published in Aug 2014. Almost exactly 2 years later. The first smartphone with USB-C didn’t come out until a full year later, though. So lightning was more like 3 years ahead in the phone world.
I have friends who still have iPhone XR, XS etc and those came with USB A bricks. And any time I buy some cheap gadget with a USB-C port it just comes with a USB-A to C cable. So I can see lots of people still out there with only USB A chargers, although you’d think they would be in the minority now.
The chargers are fine, but the old cables are now much less useful. The only thing left (I think?) that uses lightning are AirPods.
AirPods, Mighty Mouse, Magic Trackpad.
That’s going to be me after the iPhone 15 comes out. I’ve been needing to upgrade for a while now, but have been waiting until the 15 comes out so I can switch over to usb-c. The only one left after that will be my AirPods.
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Or leave Apple Store staff alone because they had nothing to do with any of that?
Maybe they should talk to their employers about being forced to act like corporate mouthpieces. Or refuse. But if a bootlicker wants to lick boot, give em a taste.
Edit: My bad, I forgot you Americans don’t have workers rights. You get what you vote for.
Do you have any idea how many people are NOT going to be aware of the change and, if the sales people don’t tell them, it’s going to be a steady stream of Karen after Karen in the store. The general public doesn’t follow the tech news like this. Most of them aren’t going to be aware they’ll need a new cable if they need more than what’s in the box.
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Where in that article, other than the headline, does it say Apple is specifically saying that? It doesn’t. It’s an editorial decision.
You’re basing your whole rant on what you read in the headline only?
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You said this…
apple is specifically trying to get their staff to tell people that their old cables are useless e-waste, not to inform them they need new cables, but to disingenuously convince the public that regulators are the cause for the e-waste.
That isn’t actually stated as fact or rumor anywhere other than the headline. So, yes, you were basing the whole rant in the post I replied to on a headline.
Or lightning was available first before usbc, and apple went with that and just has been stubborn to change.
Looks like lightning in 2012 and usbc in 2014.
Apple developed lightning. It had the same transfer rate as USB 2.0 which had been out for over a decade. It wasn’t about being “stubborn”, it was about being proprietary.
That’s a fair point. Apple has been known to do that in the past with FireWire.
But I guess on the issue of whether or not — at the time, two years before usb-c was readily available — apple should have used usb-c or lightning (the thing they helped make), you would assume they would go with lightning over waiting until an unknown amount of time for another plug to be available.
When I say they were stubborn to change from that, they were/are simply stubborn to change from that. I wish they would have pulled the bandaid off when they switched to usb-c on iPad.
Though, that said, barring speed/power, I do actually think the lightning connector is a superior design. It’s simpler, and there’s nothing to break inside the port on the phone/device. I wish usb-c was physically the same or similar.
FireWire was legitimately superior at the time, particularly for video transfer.
I still have to disagree. There was no reason for them to develop lightning in the first place. It has 0 advantages over technology already available at the time, and their adapters use the technology they’re trying to upsell anyways- USB.
As for the last subjective part of your statement: “The Apple Community forums are full of people posting stories about their broken cables, and it appears to be one of the most common issues that Apple users are facing.”
Edit: I wish I could find a conclusive source for lightning vs micro-usb charging speed in 2012, it has proven difficult. This article suggests an extremely negligible 0.3A difference that effectively did nothing because all phone batteries at the time had a 1A charging maximum https://www.gearmo.com/things-to-know-about-lightning-cables/
What’s that Apple?
Bark bark bark
You pushed USBC down the well?
Staff will advise them that the box includes a USB-C to USB-C cable, but not a charging brick, so they may need to buy one …
Wow big if true.
