It was early this summer, before Americans started crossing the Atlantic to savor the sweetness of European life. Prices are very much affordable for them there, and the Wall Street Journal gave the reason as being Europe’s inexorable impoverishment: “Europeans are facing a new economic reality, one they haven’t experienced in decades. They are becoming poorer,” wrote the business daily. In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone’s GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.

As a result, the GDP gap is now 80%! The European Centre for International Political Economy, a Brussels-based think-tank, published a ranking of GDP per capita of American states and European countries: Italy is just ahead of Mississippi, the poorest of the 50 states, while France is between Idaho and Arkansas, respectively 48th and 49th. Germany doesn’t save face: It lies between Oklahoma and Maine (38th and 39th). This topic is muted in France – immediately met with counter-arguments about life expectancy, junk food, inequality, etc. It even irks the British, who are just as badly off, as evidenced in August by a Financial Times column wondering, “Is Britain really as poor as Mississippi?”

Europe has been (once again) stalling since Covid-19, as it does after every crisis. The Old Continent had been respected as long as Germany held out. But Germany is now a shadow of its former self, hit by Russian gas cuts and China’s tougher stance on its automotive and machine tool exports. The Americans don’t care about these issues. They have inexhaustible energy resources, as the producers of 20% of the world’s crude oil, compared with 12% for Saudi Arabia and 11% for Russia. China, to them, is a subcontracting zone, not an outlet for high-value-added products. The triumph of Tesla is making Mercedes and BMW look outdated.

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    France is between Idaho and Arkansas,

    …and…

    Germany doesn’t save face: It lies between Oklahoma and Maine

    Then shame on the USA, not Europe. So even with such a lower GDP European nations are providing high quality social services and security to their citizens, why these US states citizens fall father behind.

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      And I think the only reason some of the US states even compare to some European countries is more or less the US economically brute-forcing a higher QoL versus actually planning and spending money wisely which seems more common in Europe and the UK.

      The former can’t last forever and will hit a wall once something gets costly enough, the latter should be able to scale decently well as population grows.

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      It really depends on the type and field of economics you’re looking at. Macro and micro are very very different fields. There are also a lot of different ways to present these facts. In general gdp means very little for normal people, and something like the Gini coefficient at least gets a little closer to a metric that actually represents the economic health of a country.

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    I was about to say you need to look at gdp per capita not just gdp, but I googled it and the eurozone has about the same population as the USA.

    With such a large gdp difference, looks like Americans will be doing a lot of travel to Europe, and even more Europeans may be coming over here for jobs. It seems like half the people I work with are from Germany.

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      I am notsurprised. I am from Germany. The salary for the job i am doing has been stalling the last 10 years. Even though i am “doing a career”, my salary raises are weak compared to inflation. I am in middle management of a big company and cant afford a fckn house, while people on this position 20 years ago have 3 now. I hate it.

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        Hate to tell you this, it’s no different here in the states. Wages have not been remotely kept track with inflation and home ownership is out of reach of most of the population

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        that’s true of everywhere in the developed economies.

        we value assets more than we value labor. so assets get more expensive and labor is cheaper. and since the rich are getting richer at an unprecedented rate, it’s not going to change unless we have a serious social collapse.

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        That is mostly true here as well. From what my German coworkers tell me (and from what I see in job postings), salaries here are generally higher, even after paying for medical care etc. this is in the sciences but I’ve heard it’s true in other fields as well.

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          Yes, they are higher but many calculations say that the end earnings ppl have after all deductions are higher in Germany than in the US. So Americans get payed more but go home with less disposable income. I am no economist though, so… Idk

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            What you want to compare is how common people are living in a coutry and how much they can actually buy. That’s what PPP is for (“purchasing power parity”).

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              No, that’s the wrong metric here. PPP compares prices not earnings for the sake of establishing a standardized “currency” to compare against. It doesn’t say how many of the compared products can be bought with a median income or anything.

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                Ok, you’re right. You’d also need the median income to have an objective overview how people live in the country.

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    This article, while interesting, seems a bit sensational.

    Bottom line for me as an American: Is it a good time to vacay in the Eurozone?

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      Yes, the whole place is on sale right now. I’m going in a few weeks. Hotels are insanely cheap compared to the states. I’m staying in renovated monnestaries and castles for less than a low end chain hotel costs at home.

      Airfare is fucking brutal though, so it’s almost a wash.

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      It really is. I did a small one this summer and the US dollar went far. Third time in Germany and had a blast. Beer is everywhere there! Imagine walking into a restaurant and getting a craft beer quality drink served to you for $1.50. I can’t get an IPA for that price even at my local liquor store.

      Belgium is next on the list. I keep running into people from there telling me how underrated it is.

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    I live in Oklahoma, apparently better than Germany. Out-of-state corporations buy off our politicians. This means they get insane tax cuts among other sketchier tax schemes. Having low pay employees is one of our main draws for new businesses. Unemployment here is very low, but there isn’t much of a reason to stay in state when you are looking for a job. Our education system is getting worse and worse, good teachers leave the state every year and the leaders are doing jack shit to retain them.