• Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    So…is she seriously trying to claim that Israel bombing Gaza into rubble over the last two years was all just “fake news”? Is she stupid, or does she just think everyone else is?

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      Sometimes the elderly have trouble adapting familiar concepts which have changed. She thinks of Israel as this small democratic state of people returned to their ancestral homeland beset by enemies from all sides, like under the leadership of PM Rabin, she can’t process the new information that Israel headed by a brutal ethnic cleansing dictator is trying to kill off 2 million people, majority women and children, to create beachfront property.

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    3 months ago

    I’ve literally seen videos of children’s bodies being carried with a missing head, having bullet holes through their face, or having mangled bodies. I’ve seen videos of Palestinians trying to get food while getting shot at and hiding behind rubble. I’ve seen videos of civilians getting shot right in front of their children and hit with bombs while minding their own business. And I’m so tired of seeing people in suits up on a stage without a care in the world saying “it’s not that bad” with a straight fucking face at every single thing going wrong in this world.

  • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Hillary has always been an out of touch, pro war hawk. It’s one of the reasons Trump won in 2016.

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    3 months ago

    This kind of thing is why she loat an election to Donald Trump of all people. She had the easiest race in history, but failed because she is a deeply unlikable shill

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    3 months ago

    Honestly if the Clinton’s (Hillary specifically) could just shut the fuck up forever we would all be better off.

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      A-fucking-men to that.

      These fucking over-privileged cunts have already screwed us so badly it’ll take decades to recover if we even can at this point. They both need to shut up and get the fuck out.

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      3 months ago

      They’re going to have to fix that for US users, like the Bay of America

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        Excuse me, it’s the Gulf of America! And don’t you forget it!

        salutes the flag, dramatic music plays, fireworks go off, and everyone claps as a single tear falls from my patriotic eye

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    I’m not so much pro-Palestine as anti-Israel if that makes sense. I realize the conflict is complex and they’ve all been horrible to each other for as long as anyone can remember, but Israel’s bullshit has gone too far. It’s inevitable to side with the Palestinians who have to live in terror every single day.

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      Calling it complex only serves Israeli agenda.

      The issue is simple - No amount of complexity justifies a genocide.

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        3 months ago

        Saying the history isn’t complex is just stupid though. You can identify that the history is complex without taking away from the fact that there’s a genocide going on.

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          I can concede that the conflict can present “complex” at first glance due to some Palestinians taking arms and themselves doing some heinous acts.

          But this is all downstream of an illegal occupation by Israel. This conflict really isn’t that complex. End the illegal occupation, then you can reasonably expect violent resistance to die down and to talk your way through it.

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            Yeah this is it right here, said more elequently than I could have managed lol

            Palestine needs support, and the rhetoric that its a complex or morally grey situation just needlesly complicates and delays progress.

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            You’re only thinking about the violence aspect, but we’re more discussing the geopolitics of the region. It’s not only complicated because Palestinians defended themselves— that kind of thinking is what serves Israel. It’s complicated because there is a long history of border drawing by colonialists, incoming and outgoing governments, a history of backstabbing particularly by the Israelis…complex news doesn’t serve anyone but just accurately describes a geopolitical conflict.

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              The illegal occupation has been going for decades. Yes, there is a lot of individual political events.

              But I don’t see how a macro analysis can end any ways other than “shits happened during this colonization of Palestine; Israel, UK and US are to blame for most evil shit”.

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                …but my point is explaining how everyone is complicit and how things have gotten to where they are is a long and complex history. Saying it’s complicated and saying Israel has committed genocide are not mutually exclusive. Most people actually don’t understand it, or could give a half accurate representation of the situation if asked. And that includes people who claim to have strong feelings, whether true or otherwise. In fact I’d argue asking really any follow up questions would leave a majority stumped, only a minority could give you more. It’s complex, end of. All genocides actually are. It doesn’t change the fact that they’re genocides.

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        No, you can acknowledge that complexity of the conflict and history without condoning Israel’s actions.

        Discouraging people from appreciating nuance and encouraging them to think about a complex problem simplistically (as you are doing) is what tends to serve an agenda.

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        I agree with you, but I think you’re taking one idea to leverage another to arrive at a conclusion that I’m not promoting. The other commenters seem to have interpreted well what I’m trying to say.

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    Oh really, Hillary? So why did a good portion of the rest of the world say on record that Israel is committing genocide? They all watching the fake videos too?