that erdogan even thinks his country will become part of the eu…
Frankly I’m surprised they’re even in NATO.
They’ve been in NATO since back when the US would lock you up for being gay too. Hell, Texas only removed the law banning same sex relations in 2003. And it took a supreme Court ruling to do it. Sodomy was still a crime in the US army until 2014.
That’s what happens when you control a very important location
Together with Greece, they were the first country to join after the 12 founding members - years before Germany and decades before Spain and the other half of the current NATO members.
He does look pretty happy.
He looks too happy, that makes him suspicious.
Bet he’s up to no good! Like having fun with people regardless off gender.
Damn happy peopleA grumpy teacher-person said you can’t have fun there.
Is that what you want? A country where people can walk around happy in public? Degenerates…
He looks too happy and to pretty, this did not bode well with Turkish police!
Unironically this is probably the case - feminine ones are excluded from military service for example (show proof to the doctor to escape service), whereas others are allowed.
This is what conservatives around the world want.
Apparently Turkish jurisprudence operates under the same logic as my high school did in the 90s
It’s a classic Turkish move for undercover police to offer membership into the Pen 15 Club, then arrest them when they accept.
Sounds like another shit hole country I will avoid like the plague.
Any government / country entangled with religious nutjobs is to be avoided.
Including large swaths of the US. Florida is looking pretty sketch lately.
Exactly, no-one is immune. Religion is a cancer everywhere
Yes. There was a time when I. as a young man, wanted to at least visit the good ole US and A. Back then I didn’t have the money. Now when I probably could afford it, I don’t have the desire anymore.
There’s still places worth visiting. Major cities like New York, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, even Atlanta is largely insulated from the rest of Georgia’s nutjob influence.
If you’d rather be outdoors, the U.S. has some spectacular parks and wild spaces. Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Arches, the Everglades, damn near anywhere in Alaska and Hawai’i…
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Yes, all of them. I will never understand people targeting just Islam for shit like this while literally all abrahamic faiths have the same shit said in different ways in their holy books.
Every single cult is.
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The idea all Muslims are homophobic is a dumb generalization. Call it a stigma. Corrupt police exist in Turkey, and not all of them are Muslim. The idea you’re giving that Turkish police have to be Muslim is as racist as their actions were homophobic.
Please don’t be hypocritical. I’m sure anti-theists have some level of respect for religious people.
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Mosques will never hoist a rainbow flag. It’s a core belief in Islam that homosexuality is wrong. But such a belief should never be used to justify homophobia.
homophobia /ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə,ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/ noun dislike of or prejudice against gay people
I’m not homophobic. Just not entirely accepting the idea of homosexuality. Doesn’t mean I get the right to attack people of the LGBT+ community.
Islamic countries give every person, regardless of their involvement in the LGBT community, the right to a fair trial. Corrupt police shouldn’t be the face of such law systems.
Why dont you understand the difference?
Islam is HATING on LGBT community. They dont want us among them.
LGBT is not hating on Islam. I want to live together with Islamics, but I dont want to live together with homophobic people.
You are not accepting the “idea” of homosexuality. Im accepting Islam, but Im not accepting that you dont accept the “idea” of homosexuality. BECAUSE, a society doesn’t work with people not accepting each other.
Im sorry, but you have to accept that your ideals are antique and old fashioned, I dont care what your religion says, human evolves, our minds evolves, a man being together with another man is not damaging anyone.
Im not going to accept that you dont accept the idea of homosexuality, and im going to keep fighting to keep Islam outside Europe as much as I can. Once Islam changes their ideals about homosexuality, they are more than welcome
Is vice versa so common? Lol.
Calling a religion a disease borders fascistic rhetoric.
As I said, i dont respect anyone that is attacking members of the LGBTQ+ community. You said it’s the same? No, we are not attacking, we are asking for respect. As long as you are not giving it, then we are not accepting you.
You must then be ignorant of the weaponised LGBT identity politics that is sometimes used to justify the invasion and murder of Muslim lives in the Middle East by white countries, as well as the fascist shift in Europe against Muslim immigrants.
LGBT people often participate in the rhetoric and are used as a stick for punitive policies in Europe.
Does this mean by extension all LGBT people are responsible for these crimes?
What on earth are you talking about?
I can’t think of any invasion anywhere that was caused by LGBT politics, so please cite some sources.
Idiots don’t realise hate will beget hate.
I classify Turkey with Iran. Don’t go there. Unfortunately my list for no-go is growing
I wouldn’t be so hasty. The middle east, including Turkey, are some of the most culturally rich places to visit. In general, the Arab people are extremely hospitable. There has been civilization in the area for thousands of years and many fascinating antiquities remain. Turkey in particular has a longstanding secular tradition that was started a hundred years ago by Kemal Ataturk, only recently eroded by the religious conservatives. I wouldn’t let a few thuggish people put you off.
I’d agree, but given that those few thuggish people in the Middle East seem to be setting policy that includes beating people for looking gay all the way up to beheadings, it might be beast to avoid it for now.
I don’t think it makes sense to go anywhere completely whimsically. Times change and caution is prudent. Nobody is taking the silk road through Afghanistan any more but it was once a popular route, for example. However, I believe in the goodness of people. Most people just wanna be happy, kindness and respect goes a long way.
True, most people are willing to live and let live, but a lot of places have people where you won’t know what you’re dealing with until its too late. And I’m not even talking about the middle east specifically.
Neither Turks nor Iranians are Arabs
The problem is the thuggish people seem to be in charge these days. The people I met in Turkey when I visited long ago were indeed kind though.
We have Turkish people where I live. I don’t need to go to a place that does that sorta thing.
I was telling my friend that I took my wife to the Carribbean.
Jamaica?
No, she came of her own accord.
Is France on that list too then? They tear gas people for having a contrary opinion to the state after all.
France is immune to that list, because I live there :/
Le Whataboutism
Why would anyone straight have a problem with anyone being gay? Are they all in the closet and think that what they feel is what everyone feels, and somehow the fault of gay people?
Well, to be “fair,” a significant portion of homophobes believe an invisible man in the sky said it was bad, according to some guys who knew some guys who knew a guy that died several hundred years before they wrote that into their “things the invisible man in the sky said” collection of fan fiction.
You know, for one reason or another I won’t bother you with I’m still in the WhatsApp group of my childhood friends.
They’re a bunch of dicks, and tbh were I to meet them today I’d avoid them like the plague, but a couple of people in there are actual friends, so I stick around.
Anyway, the humour in the chat is that of many WhatsApp groups, jokes about women, sex and so on.
Boomers humour, so to speak, even though we’re all X-Gen.
Sadly, 80% are jokes about gays, which can get fairly nasty at times.
A couple of weeks ago I actually said “hey, how come you guys always joke about gays and trans? Like, all the time? You know who does that? Closeted homosexuals”.
Then I linked a few articles of random gay-bashing Republicans who were caught fiddling kids and were forced to admitting being gay.
“Rings a bell?”
I haven’t seen a gay joke in the group since.
Pedo =/= homosexual. Kind of a fucked up suggestion on your part.
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I didn’t get it until I started getting serious about weight loss (doing well btw :)) you develop a raw anger at people eating food that you can’t enjoy. Of course I don’t say anything. It’s like that expression
If you are a liberal vegetarian you do not eat meat
If you are a conservative vegetarian no one gets to eat meat except for you.
I think a mix of religion and being brought up with old-school morality. I’m a conservative who has no problems with homosexuals, in fact HIV/AIDS is one of the causes I really get behind because the history of it fascinates me (currently reading And The Band Played On, it’s great).
Whenever I see homophobia or erroneous beliefs about them I try and correct them when I can.
Why would you even go to that shithole?
The title is misleading.
*He was detained for participating in an “eventful” Pride march.
*On the bus, Chechens said he “looked like a gay”.
According to him.
EDIT: I did not claim that Turkish people are not homophobic. I did not minimize the injustice suffered by the Portuguese man. Why are you downvoting this?
It stated that he was arrested just for “looking” gay. I had to read way too far into the article to clarify that the police suspicions were actually correct.
Years ago a friend’s rock band was touring Europe and they landed a show at a club in Turkey About a month before the show the owner of the bar sent an email to the booking agent that said “We don’t allow fags in our bar, Show canceled” The band had a video with a drag queen in it.
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Ah, yes, that’s definitely English
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Another country that should never have been allowed into the EU. Fucking dipshits went from a secular nation to a religious hellhole.
Turkey is luckily not in the EU. Recently they tried to use their veto power in NATO to block Sweden’s entry unless they’re allowed to begin the process of joining the EU but that got shut down real quick.
I would’ve guessed it was for looking hot.
It’s the usual reason fundamentalists get violent toward women and gay men: they’re aroused, but aren’t allowed to express it.
