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      Liberals are Zionists, and things won’t improve until the left like you realize it. Democrats are not your friends, they say what they need to get your votes, but they like Jeffries and the agree with him. Your petitions’ numbers reflect that.

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        Zionism transcends political platforms. It’s a whole societal problem. I also don’t think it would be too hard to find a socialist Zionist.

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        USSR supported the creation of Israel. And the first government of Israel was democratic socialist. The country used to be known to be quite left until about the late 1980s.

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          The country was founded as a colonial ethno supremacist project and its founders said their biggest allies will be the antisemites on the premise that they will rid their countries of undesirable Jews.

          There was never any form of democracy in Israel, there can’t be. It’s built on the subjugation and erasure of the indigenous population which has and continues to outnumber them. Palestinians have never had equal rights, and most of us are spread across the world because we never got our right of return granted.

          That’s not democracy. You’re spreading a bullshit narrative.

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            You can have racist democracies so long as you deny citizenship based on race. The USA has been a democratic republic since the beginning despite having restricted the vote along racial, gender, and at one point wealth.

            Israel is a flawed democracy.

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            No one wasn’t arguing that Israel is a democracy.

            I understand you have personal stake on the subject and rest assured most people support Palestine, but realise you are being extremely passionate and making straw man and saying more bollocks.

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              Israel was democratic socialist

              No one wasn’t arguing that Israel is a democracy.

              Are you sure?

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                The party that ruled in Israel was democratic socialist.

                I don’t know what is with downvotes for stating facts. Either people don’t know what democratic socialism is, or socialists probably want to forget that bit of history that Israel used to be left and don’t want to be associated with it.

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                  Your definition of left is off, that’s why you’re being downvoted. Israel was established on over 500 destroyed Palestinian villages and ethnic cleansing of half the population with the open intention to colonize the entire land.

                  Read some non colonial history books before you complain about Internet points.

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            Not sure what you mean.

            The repeated sneak invasions by Arab countries, the last being the Yom Kippur War, made the left, in the eyes of voters, is insufficient in protecting Israel. It helped paved way for the Israeli right to come to power. After all, Bibi’s administration is all about occupying the frontiers “to protect” Israel; same excuse really that any settler societies have provided to commit atrocities.

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              The fact is that the right has gotten strongerthe more stable their relationships got with other nations which is the opposite of what you would expect.

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    Mamdani is a great candidate and he only seems to get shallow or dishonest criticism. When he talks policy it’s straight forward, sensible and makes economic sense, but his critics talk about him like he’s chairman Mao. Totally out of proportion and probably has a lot to do with corporate finance in politics and the DNC specifically.

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      Oh no, it’s still there. It will be trotted out the next time progressives get angry at another corporate candidate.

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        I hope so because we absolutely cannot afford to lose any more ground to the christofascist dictatorship.

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          There’s no question that we should always vote against the most right wing candidate. No reasonable person disagrees with this.

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          Then explain to me why the 2 other “liberal” candidates in NYC have refused to drop out and are threatening to split the democratic vote and allow a Republican to win the mayor’s office.

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              The two liberal candidates I am referring to are Mario Cuomo who lost the Democratic primary to Mamdani and Eric Adams the current mayor who is a registered Democrat.

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                Oh I understand your confusion. You see, Mamdani won the DNC primary election earning the party’s spot on the ballot.

                Cuomo is third party. If Adams is running he is also third party.

                The ONLY democrat mayoral candidate is Mamdani.

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                  And yet all of the major players in the democratic party refuse to endorse or acknowledge Mamdani and a few have even sided with those other candidates.

                  This is my point.

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    When liberals tell me, a trans person, that I need to vote for militant transphobe Gavin Newsom after he’s handed the 2028 Democratic primary victory, I’m going to tell them to shove it up their ass.

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      There’s no nice way to say this, so mods delete if necessary. It’s an election about numbers and progressives will now have to be recognized after the last loss and the success of Mamdani. That is some progress. But the issues of trans people will not be a deciding factor due to the ratio. I hope you get all the care and rights you deserve, but this doesn’t sway the vote against literal dictatorship.

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      All I’m going to say is, in the general election, don’t do what many protestors of the war in Gaza did because that did become a deciding factor in giving Trump Michigan.

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          In fighting is why Trump won and is why the left will never accomplish anything. I hope Mamdani wins and he is the catalyst to reshaping the Democrat party so they actually will put up a real progressive like Bernie and not someone who is anti trans. However, letting the Republicans rat fuck our country another 4 years isn’t something I’m going to support in 2028.

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            If you were living in 1930s Germany, you would have signed up to be a member of the Nazi party. Don’t kid yourself, you personally absolutely would have done it. Maybe you wouldn’t have been one of those actually enlisting in the SS. But you absolutely would have been one of those that joined the Nazi party to keep their job. Do you have any idea how many regular Germans did that, just to keep their ordinary civilian jobs? They convinced themselves that it was for the greater good. After all, let’s say you’re a judge or college professor. If you don’t join the Nazi party, then an actual militant Nazi might get your job instead. Wouldn’t it be better to just join the Nazi party, keep your job, and just try not to do anything too evil in your role? Joining the Nazi party is the lesser of two evils!

            When you have no red lines, there is no limit to how deep into Hell you will fall.

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              Comparing me to Nazis isn’t helping your argument nor is it a good analogy. At this point, I doubt we will even have free or fair elections again. If it comes to a Civil War 2, then I’ll lay my life on the line to protect people like you from fascism. I am not afraid to fight for a better future.

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        Anti occupation and genocide people didn’t make Harris lose , dems and Harris incompetency and the two party system made trump win

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    Jeffries is exactly why the public hates establishment democrats.

    Jeffries would rather help republicans do all the fascism in the world rather than endorse somebody who criticized fascists actively doing a genocide.

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    Establishment Dems simply want to co-parent America with reactionaries. There is no vision, only donors. When MAGA is over, going back to this is not going to be acceptable.

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    Mamdani is a populist and is basically a left wing Trump.

    People are unhappy and easily manipulated into supporting someone that just says the popular internet things. There’s also the assumption that he hates the same ethnic group that’s it’s popular for his base to hate. See the other comments in this thread saying Hakeem Jeffries not endorsing Mamdani is probably something to do with the Jews.

    There were many Republicans that were “never Trumpers” and refused to endorse him. A few even stuck with it. We know what can happen when someone’s support is based around policies based on internet memes mixed with racist conspiracy theories.

    The question is whether Mamdani is a true believer or just saying the things he does to get elected. If he’s a true believer and actually implements the half baked internet meme based policies, it will be a disaster. Much like how Trump’s dumbass policies are a disaster.

    Wouldn’t be a good political move to endorse a politician that winds up creating a mess of things.

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      You’re right. They’re both the same so I will protest by not voting. That will show them I mean business…wait I’ve heard this before.

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      You’ve gone out of your fucking mind to compare Mamdani to Trump. Lots of people are convinced Trump is the literal antichrist, for good reason. Trump is a murdering psycopath who increases taxes on the poor and decreases them for the rich. Trump is waging a war on minorities to provide labor to the prison industry. Trump is offering USA resources to Russia in exchange for taking slightly less of Ukraine, which the Ukrainians have not and will not agree with.

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        Change is not always good. Young people think change for the sake of change is good

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      Mamdani is not Trump by any standard. Mamdani seems to actually understand how to govern.

      His stupidest policies will not be taken up by the city council eg no one is getting$30/hr for minimum wage because most could not afford to pay that