He becomes the latest shock rocker to share his distaste for gender-affirming care after Dee Snider and Paul Stanley shared similar views.
The guy who dresses up and wears makeup…
Was going to comment… for the dude that looks like a crazy cat lady in her 90s that had way too much to drink last night and woke up in a ditch he’s got some weird opinion on this.
This stance seems so off-brand for Dee and Alice. But they are pretty up there in age. I might not want to know my dad’s inner thoughts on this, either, I suppose. Still, for glam rockers raging against oppressive authority, it seems like they would have a more progressive take on this.
Pretty sure Dee said the exact fucking opposite of this, tooDee’s a TERF. Sad.
Dee likes to defy categorization, but claims to be both libertarian and centrist. And he has been friends with Donald Trump for a long time, so his early support for Trump’s candidacy pissed off a lot of long-time fans. I think, but I could be wrong, that Snyder walked back his political support for Trump.
I’m pretty sure that whole generation is getting early onset dementia they all went crazy together at about the same time
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Good thing that that’s not happening. Nobody is shoving anything down anyone’s throats, nor forcing any kid to make life-changing decisions.
(Excluding conservatives and regressives, anyway. And if there are any progressives doing it, they’re in the wrong.)
Nobody is shoving anything down anyone’s throats
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Yeah, but it’s part of the fantasy world they inhabit, and they make voting decisions based on their fantasy world. The fantasy world where liberals cast millions of votes on behalf of dead people (which everyone knows, but no one has ever talked about), can’t spend a week in NYC without getting mugged or gang raped, walk down a sidewalk in San Francisco without stepping in human feces, and where woke parents force their 8-year-olds to have gender surgery.
I wonder how many of these “nice but transphobic” people would revise themselves if they knew that even puberty blockers aren’t OTC, but require extensive therapy and professional counseling. I mean, it’s not a situation many people have direct experience with, so it’s easy to fall for fake stories. Of course, I also wonder how many of them don’t consider psychologists “real doctors” or psychology itself legitimate science.
Isn’t that exactly what society has been doing for since like ever?
Still today gender roles are forced onto people.
“saying that he was “afraid that it’s also a fad”… the star said that he felt children were not mature enough to make major decisions about their gender identity"
You and Cooper both are setting fire to some pretty large strawmen. Standard transphobic tactic.
It’s a take that is based on lies and propaganda.
This is an example of a strawman argument. He’s setting up this very specific idea of what is happening, and taking issue with it, when the vast majority of real world interactions are substantially more nuanced and specific to the kid and their family than the fake scenario put forth.
Noooo, you can’t be mad, you need to read what he’s saying!
[The same old tired ass debunked a million times transphobic bullshit]
A take that hardly anyone would disagree with.
Yeah, disagreed.
“Morons,” “idiots.” Thanks for your valuable contribution to the conversation.
75 y-o shouts at sky.
I haven’t heard Alice Cooper since I stopped listening to the Wayne’s World soundtrack in the 90s. I guess I can continue to not hear him with impunity.
so many bigots outing themselves.
Ok, I’m at the point where I really have to say ‘so what?’ about shit that aging, boomer rock stars of the cocaine fueled past say. Like really who gives a fuck what Alice Cooper thinks? He’s always been a Gene Simmons level asshole main character personality type. He has only ever gotten attention by pissing someone off. This is easy. Let these people drift off into irrelevance. Stop allowing them to matter.
The problem is that no matter how much those of us who know he’s full of shit ignore him, he still has a massive platform and enough people who agree and will lap this shit up, and then do anything from bullying their trans co workers to going on a shooting spree, not to mention legislation that gets supported by these types and the harm it does (E: also, we don’t know that he doesn’t agree with what he’s saying, but even if he claims not to, he’s still throwing trans people under the bus which is an act of transphobia).
I agree that he’s ragebaiting for attention but that doesn’t change the impact of his words.
I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.” I’ve known trans people for 30 years. And I knew they existed before that. How the hell did it suddenly go from “Man wear skirt ha ha ha funny” at worst (not that that was good, just that it wasn’t what we have now) to “Fad! Groomers! They should die!”
We seem to be lurching as a society to a direction I don’t think I can live in.
I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.”
Because noone cares about homosexuality anymore(it has been mostly normalized), so they need a new target to scream about.
They’re literally on record saying they needed something big to rally behind after killing Roe because they were going to get murdered on abortion and needed a distraction. They whipped this up right quick alongside busting out “groomer” as their top slur right as Matty Fivehead was getting taken to court for diddling a sex-trafficked 17 year old. Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
theyve been on this bullcrap since at least 2016 with all the bathroom crap. we shouldnt be demonizing people over this yet here we are where a massive chunk of the population does just that. when i was a kid it was “what if gae in lockerroom?” bullcrap. im sure at this point in my life ive been in a locker room with a gay person and theyve never been a problem. and if they are its that person who is the issue not the entire lgbtq+ community.
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It’s this. Attacking gay people is no longer acceptable to enough people that conservatives can get away with it as a culture war tact. They’ve moved onto trans people which is more successful because there’s a lot fewer trans people. We’re seeing a LOT of bullshit getting flipped around and making people mad about things they didn’t use to care about. The drag-hate is a good example. Tons of examples from history where drag is supported and now it’s a major battleground? Bullshit. Just another way to find a convenient target for the right to hate.
Fascists need enemies and the enemy needs to be both small in number and visibly identifiable.
To approach this from a different angle, I would say this is actually an ironically encouraging sign that we are lurching in a good direction. There’s always going to be some level of racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc., but those things are mainstream enough that you have to be really hard right to beat the drum for them. It’s the kind of thing that might still play in certain areas, and with certain types or demographic, but the mainstream isn’t really down with it. Open pro-trans movements and statements are pretty new compared to these other things, so it’s just the latest in the succession of what-can-I-hate-up that authoritarian types latched onto. I have a feeling we’re lurching – and pretty quickly – toward trans becoming more mainstream
Thank you sincerely for this refreshingly positive take. I needed to read it.
I would say this is actually an ironically encouraging sign that we are lurching in a good direction. There’s always going to be some level of racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc., but those things are mainstream enough that you have to be really hard right to beat the drum for them.
And yet here we are and they do. Do you remember how the term “Groomer” appeared? It was the DeSantis administration justifying the “Don’t say Gay” bill. That was a bill that, sure, mentioned gender dysphoria in passing, but it was primarily aimed at gay people.
I don’t see any evidence at all the Republicans have become less racist or less homophobic. Racism seems no better, maybe worse, than it was in 2008, and as the mainstream Republican establishment has declined, the party seems to have given in to the homophobic grassroots.
None of which really explains though why they’ve gone from merely laughing at transpeople to turning them into villains, while continuing to demonize the groups they’ve always done. Perhaps, far from transpeople being the only ones left, they’ve realized they can get away with scapegoating more groups than they previously have done.
I still don’t understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.”
The Tea Party (remember them?) & MAGA have taught the leaders of the conservative movement that they need to constant feed the crazy (that they created) or they’ll get dumped for anyone who is better at whipping up fear, hate, and anger.
if they don’t want to join Jesus in being called weak and liberal, then they need to constantly demonize some vulnerable minority. POCs, lesbians, and gays are not that vulnerable any more, so whose next? Transgender people! hence the "trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.” "
Terfs (particularly lesbian terfs) are the worst examples, they’re bigots desperately trying to get the conservative patriarchial gaze’s approval, but without wanting to out themselves as desperatetly wanting conservative patriarchial gaze’s approval. Bigoted chucklefucks.
Oh shit, an old, irrelevant douchebag said it, so I guess it must be true. Someone put this man in a home, please.
Something so many of these folks need to learn is that shutting up is free.
Incredibly sad to see Alice Cooper using rote, boring anti-trans talking points, especially the old canard of ‘any man can walk into a woman’s restroom by saying he feels like a woman today,’ which is something I’ve seen online more times than I can count and even heard in person from a few folks almost word-for-word. Don’t be a parrot, Vincent.
I mean it’s Alice Cooper, I’m not sure we should be listening to them.
I don’t think it is a fad though.
Anyone get Ja Rule’s take?
Looks like somebody chewed on a bat that was past its sell-by date
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A lot of older people feel like this. It’s an opinion that will sooner or later die out. I’m not going to bash people about old views in a world that is changing faster then we can keep up. Progress is slow and steady.
Older people need to be told they are wrong and given reasons why. Then they can adapt their views and understand their world better. Those that refuse to adapt should be ostracized. There’s no room for bigots. I’ve been doing this same thing when I was misunderstanding the world and I hope to be adapting until I die.
I don’t know everyone’s personal experiences on the matter but I can’t blame people for wanting to pump the brakes a little when it comes to converting young children. It’s not being a bigot to be concerned over something that is generally new to our society. But I only speak of the medical part of it. I have no issues with gender neutral bathrooms ect… I just honestly don’t know enough about the procedures and outcomes to say I can call someone a bigot for disagreeing.
then educate yourself about it before commenting ffs
pump the brakes a little when it comes to converting young children.
No one is trying to convert anyone into being trans, FFS.
It’s not being a bigot to be concerned over something that is generally new to our society.
Being trans isn’t new. Just because we’ve stopped denigrating it openly and pretending it doesn’t exist (it has always existed and been present, but usually in the closet) doesn’t make it new.
But I only speak of the medical part of it.
Treatments for gender dysphoria have been around for literally decades.
I just honestly don’t know enough about the procedures and outcomes to say I can call someone a bigot for disagreeing.
I don’t know the ins and outs of cancer treatments but I don’t doubt doctors. FFS this is some A-grade transphobia. Really sealioning it all up in here.
You make me want to learn so much more. I’m sure 90 percent of the population don’t know all the facts about something that effects 5 percent . But fuck it were transphobic. Your a real educator!
Your ignorance is not our problem. This isnt new or hard. You’re just a bigot.
Just because someone isn’t fully educated on something doesn’t make them a bigot. My beliefs change when I get new facts. Do you just run around calling everyone bigots because they are unsure about something? I admit my opinion is not very educated on the matter but I’m trying. Good luck in life sir.
Either you’re defending your ignorance after outing it in a public space, or you’re putting on an act to cover for your bigotry.
Till you sort yourself out, you’re coming across as a bigot and that’s your responsibility to resolve, not ours to play along.
@Neato : story of the punk bar bartender and nazis
based on @iamragesparkle;s tweets
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
unless bigotry is pushed back, irrespective of the bigot’s age, there will be no progress.
