Wasn’t actually today, but it’s an interesting etymology. Old Arabian speaks “majus” because they lack a hard G sound, similar to Japanese lacking L sound

Also, for anyone interested, that means that the Magi who came to Jesus’ birth with gifts were Zoroastrian priests

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    Old Arabian speaks “majus” because they lack a hard G sound, similar to Japanese lacking L sound

    This isn’t quite right. We start with Old Persian (not Arabic) maguš, pronounced like mag-ush. That gets loaned into Ancient Greek as μάγος (mágos), originally referring to Zoroastrian priests and then generally to magicians, sorcerers, and tricksters in general. This gets carried over to Latin as magus (still pronounced with a ‘hard’ g). The plural of this form is magi, pronounced in Antiquity as mag-ee. As we enter into the Middle Ages, some sound changes happen and most Latin pronunciations soften the G, producing something like maj-ee. At some point in Middle English, the Latin -i plural ending gets replaced with the native English -es plural, producing mages . The singular mage is then derived from that. There’s also undoubtedly an influence from French, where an -age ending would always be pronounced with a soft G (ie, the word age).

    Looking a bit deeper, the Bible plays a big role here, as the plural of the Greek word, μάγοι (magoi) is used in the original text of Matthew 2:1. That gets translated in the Latin Vulgate as magi, and then I’d presume a Middle English gospel translation as ‘mages’. The singular ‘mage’ then gets derived from that.

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      We start with Old Persian (not Arabic) maguš

      I didn’t try to imply that we should start with arabic, or that that is the source of the current spelling, I left that arabic bit there because of the wiki page being Majus. I did try to be clear in the title: “derives from magush, the old persian name(…)”.

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        Ah, my bad there, I though you were implying that the reason why the English word has a soft G is because Arabic doesn’t have a hard G sound. Those are actually independent developments. Arabic actually used to have a standard hard G sound (and in Egypt it still does!), but it shifted to the J sound at some point (wanna say vaguely Middle Ages?).

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    Zoroastrianism is centered around the Persian language, not Arabic. Persian is a Indo European language like Sanskrit, English, Celtic, and Russian instead of Afro-Asiatic like Arabic. That’s why so n many magic associated words have the same PIE root *magh- Its root concept is to have power to enforce will.

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    Also, for anyone interested, that means that the Magi who came to Jesus’ birth with gifts were Zoroastrian priests

    No one was there as he didn’t exist.

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      No one was there as he didn’t exist.

      This is irrelevant to a discussion of etymology. Even if you don’t believe in the physical existence of a the man, he exists as a significant literary figure. Tom Sawyer didn’t actually exist either, but we should be able to speak about his whitewashing trickery without pedant trolls butting in. You’re not edgy. You’re not enlightened. You’re not even technically correct. You’re just an asshole.