Social Democracy is not the same as Socialism. But, I wasn’t following the race, maybe he does want the public to own the means of production.
Also Democratic Socialism (Mamdani’s beliefs) are not the same as Social Democracy. They are slightly different.
That kind of depends. Bernie claims to be a Democratic Socialist, but Europeans have said that his stated beliefs align more with Social Democracy. This may be another case of us Americans having a different definition than the rest of the world (like with liberal).
also the red underlined section of this post: https://lemmy.ml/post/32229216
It’s just a primary guys. Let’s hope he wins the seat.
That’s what’s fun about the whole establishment coming out swinging against him - he just won the primary. He’s not even elected yet, and they are losing their shit.
(also, didn’t notice until after posting that you’d posted 2 days ago - sorry for the necro post!)
Two days old post is still relevant on Lemmy. It’s when someone responds to a 3+ month comment that I’m like, “how did you find me?!”
I think Cuomo is going to stay in the race, it will be interesting to see who wealthy establishment Dems support.
They will rig the general. Look to the firms in control of the individual machines and the tabulation servers…
Looks like Cuomo is planning to run as an independent to split the vote.
Considering Eric Adams already is running as an independent, Cuomo is more likely to siphon votes away from him. Although I think it will be ranked choice anyway, so “splitting” the vote won’t really matter.
The general is FPTP. Adams and Cuomo can fight for attention, they share the same demographic of assholes
That would be a nice change of pace for once.
You can split the vote in any system including ranked choice, it only means that there are some people who would choose Cuomo but if they weren’t there would vote for Adams instead.
The number of opinion pieces having meltdowns over Mamdani is simply off the charts. The fascists and neolibs are losing their minds about this. It’s incredible.
Mamdani isn’t even remotely radical as far as leftists go. What’s he’s proposing is just the bare minimum of common sense as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
They’re acting like Luigi broke out and started making the world a better place one capitalist at a time again.
allegedly
One can dream
Right? I don’t get this at all. The guy gets elected, offers a couple things via social policy change, and everyone loses their shit. Even the title of the article this is about calls it “socialism” when it’s a far cry from it.
Everyone’s talking like he’s won the mayorship already.
He hasn’t literally but he’s now the heavy favorite
Cuomo better not pull a Lieberman and split the vote.
C’mon! Status Cuomo was right there!
Keep talking in ways that highlight progressive values, and you’ll get more of this.
The status quo is garbage and has been degrading rapidly for most of my life. Here’s hoping the rest of this country gets its shit together in time.
It seems that every article from Jacobin is skewed ever so slightly, not enough to make most think there’s something wrong, but it seems to skew anti-progressive by tone and wording, while being assertive in part to some center (or right-leaning by European standards), and aggressive in language towards selective parts of the far-right while mellowing down the tone against conservatives in general.
It’s like eating candy and discovering that the sugar coating is actually aluminium.
They do tend to passively address the American Overton window in their articles. I think it’s pretty easy to navigate as an American because they do it mostly in the same style of our mainstream media.
The overall dynamics of American political language I think can be pretty jarring to both Europeans and any American trying to first learn about socialism.
Reality proves big tent liberalism wrong at every turn, but still people advocate for it. Can’t beat stupid, I guess.
He seems like a decent person, and his platform is okay for the most part. He’s definitely better than the sex pest that is Cuomo, and so I guess it’s a win in that regard.
However, y biggest issue with him is that he has openly accepted the endorsement from the DSA. That is not a good sign. The DSA is the most vile and parasitic bunch on the American left. They openly simp for dictators and tyrannical regimes, they endorse violence, and they outright support terrorist groups. They’re genuinely the worst of the worst. The fact that he hasn’t rejected their endorsement, or at the very least ignored it, but instead accepted it with open arms is a major red flag.
Edit: I like how the DSA supporting cowards have nothing of value to say, just discretely downvote and scurry away. Fuck the DSA.
Who has less red flags?
Well, when you put it that way, recent events suggest the best course of action is to sit it out in protest.
/s for the triggered assholes. Only not really.
Good point, the DSA is full of red flags literally and figuratively
The DSA ran for office? What? I’m asking which CANDIDATE has less red flags you goober.
Brad Lander, Adrienne Adams, and Zellnor Myrie are better candidates.
Which terrorist organizations does the DSA support?
Hamas.
The terrorist attacks happened on Oct 7th. The world was in shock as it happened because that was the deadliest terrorist attack in the world has seen since the Camp Speicher massacre back in 2014 and 9/11.
Most people and governments around the world at the time condemned the terrorist attacks, they condemned Hamas for committing them, and they expressed sympathy for the victims. This was doubly so when Hamas took responsibility, proudly displayed videos of the attacks and the victims, and it became apparent that they took hundreds of hostages.
What did the NYC DSA do? They fucking organized a pro-Hamas rally on Oct 8th in SUPPORT of the terrorist attacks that literally happened the day before. They outright endorsed and celebrated the attacks on the streets. This isn’t an exaggeration, that’s literally what they did. You can literally google the rally and see this for yourself.
The rally was so disgusting, so immoral, and so evil that it caused an uproar around the world, including inside the DSA and the left in the US. So many people, including big politicians like AOC, Shri Thanedar, and Bowman, either quit or disassociated with the DSA:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/aoc-pro-palestine-nyc-rally-00120684
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/
The backlash was so strong, that the NYC DSA was forced to write a press release statement addressing their actions two days later on Oct 10th… and they came up with this:
https://socialists.nyc/press-releases/statement-peace-now-end-occupation-apartheid/
They didn’t condemn the terrorist attacks, they refused to name and condemn Hamas or the PIJ, they even refused to call the attacks as such, they instead called them “escalations of violence”. It’s like holding a pro-ISIS rally a day after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks, and then victim blaming the French people for the attacks. How tone deaf is that?
Keep in mind the context here, we’re not talking about the current day. This is before Israel started it’s bombing campaign on Gaza. At the time, a very egregious and straightforward atrocity happened. The human thing to do is to condemn it because terrorism is evil. This is why people condemn both the Oct 7th terrorist attacks and what Israel has been doing since, it’s because that’s the principled thing to do.
To this day, they still have never rescinded their support for Hamas or the terrorist attacks.
The DSA actually did something similar when Russia invaded Ukraine. Most people were in shock and they condemned Russia’s invasion and atrocities, but the parasitic DSA decided to “condemn” the invasion by blaming the US, Ukraine, and NATO for Putin invading.
https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
How are these not open endorsements of violence? How they are they not explicit support for terrorism? How are these positions not tone deaf and immoral? These parasites have no morals and they have no principles. Extremists like this need to be condemned and disavowed, not openly accepted. Mamdani’s acceptance of the DSA endorsement is a big red flag.
I didn’t want to assume you were a fucking islamophobe, but I’m not at all surprised. Go to hell, zionist trash.
Lemmy users are so intellectually lazy, and this is a prime example of that. It is so obvious that you can’t defend your views on their own merits. Instead of providing a counter argument that explains your views or address my points, it’s far easier to just pull random, baseless ad homs out of your ass and pretend that you did something.
I’m neither a zionist nor an islamophobe, and there’s literally nothing in my comment that even mildly implies either. But that won’t stop you from making stuff up. Too bad it doesn’t mean anything, but I’m sure you’re next logical fallacy will surely get the job done.
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Okay I guess I will say something in addition to the downvote: none of that crazy shit you’re saying about DSA is true, they (we) are a bunch of idealistic do-gooders trying to make the world a better place.
What value did you actually add though? You provided no explanations, no counter examples, no specific disagreements, no points, no arguments, no sources, nothing. You literally just asserted that I’m wrong and that the DSA is good with no additional input at all. This is just a downvote in text form.
I literally have a detailed comment with sources that prove what I’m talking about in this very comment thread.
Your comment above and the longer one are just complete nonsense. You’re hyper-focused on this October 8th rally that you claim was organized by DSA (it wasn’t) and which you claim endorsed and celebrated the October 7th attack (it didn’t). And then you’re taking various DSA statements about how they oppose war and violence as proof that they secretly celebrate violence from the side you oppose.
Come back to reality!
This is literally just a longer version of your previously pointless comment.
I don’t think you understand, so let me explain. You asserting that I’m wrong, while claiming that you’re right… neither proves me wrong or you right. Proof by assertion is not an argument, it’s a logical fallacy. Why? Because you didn’t provide anything of substance and you’re not addressing the points being made.
If you want me to take you seriously, then you’re going to need to stop being so lazy, and actually provide your reasoning. You have to address the specific points you disagree with, provide reasoning as to why you disagree with them (including the sources that I provided), explain why you believe in your views, and provide what your evidence and logic is for your positions.
This should be common sense, I shouldn’t have to explain this to you. If you’re incapable of doing this then that you means you either lack the ability to defend your views on their own merits or you just can’t counter my points properly because you know they’re right. Simply, put up or shut up.
This isn’t really a reasoning thing, you are just repeating some common lies.
I literally don’t care how many of you mouth breathers downvote or repeat the same bullshit assertions. It’s not going to change anything. Not a single one of you has been able to address a single point or address a single argument or even point out a single flaw. You didn’t and I know you never will either.
This, right here, is the best you could ever do. I literally asked you to provide a case like 3 times now, and you’re simply not able to. That’s all there is to it. It’s clear you’re full of shit, you’re aware of can’t prove me wrong, but you’re dishonest to admit you’re wrong so you resort to whatever this is. You’re done here, I’ll only reply if you have something of substance to say, which I know you won’t.
However, y biggest issue with him is that he has openly accepted the endorsement from the DSA.
Your only issue is that he’s to the left of netanyahu.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read on this site all day
Sorry, was netanyahu too far to the left for you too?
Not supporting a shitty a brainless, dictator simping, terrorist endorsing, violence condoning organization like the DSA doesn’t mean I support Netanyahu. Fuck him and everybody like him. At the same rate fuck anybody who’s dumb enough to think that the condemnation of one political parasite is an endorsement of another political parasite.
Not supporting a shitty a brainless, dictator simping, terrorist endorsing, violence condoning organization like the DSA
This also describes the DNC, with whom you have no evident problem.
I have a lot of problems with the DNC actually. Any more assumptions you want cleared up?
Sure. How much further to the right do you want them?
