Children of the victims had to take Gilbert, their beloved golden retriever, to be put down, the chair of the DNC claimed.
Republicans sure love shooting dogs. I thought Trump would just pardon the guy. Now I think he’ll nominated him to a cabinet position too.
They actually love dogs a lot. They adore simple minds that give unconditional love. They’re not mindless monsters with different axioms, they’re just dumb as fuck. And we could absolutely use this to change narratives in this country if we understood it better.
Cops in the US murder around 10,000 dogs a year one study estimates, but the figure might be much higher, because it’s not surprisingly hard to get data on something that police turn off their body cameras for or deny releasing to any outside agency.
Basically, if you own a dog, and you let a cop into your house, if they bark at the cop the cop will likely shoot the dog in front of you and carry on like nothing happened and you have no right to do anything, as the threat stands pretty strong in the air over the sounds of your dog’s last breaths. If more people released videos of this happening, I think we could push police overhaul with far, far more success than we had with BLM.
And if you’re reading between the lines and saying “wow he’s saying that the right cares more about the lives of dogs than black kids” yeah that is what I’m saying. No, we can’t change it. But I think if we worked with those primitive feelings at front and center, we could make a lot more progress in turning them little by little.
edit: as you predictably recoil at this and feel dismissive and offended at the idea that conservatives love dogs and we need to leverage that as another tool to change how they feel, try to ask yourself if you’re reflexively angry here because you think they’re incapable of love and human feelings. If they’ve been dehumanized for you, congratulations, you’re sliding down the same path you’ve seen and condemned in others countless times before. Your enemy is human, they have human feelings. The difference is how they manage those feelings and the stories they tell themselves to explain those feelings. If you think understanding someone is the same as defending their actions and choices, you’re flat out stupid and deserve whatever misery you’re likely swimming in.
I’m afraid I must disagree. The right, in general, don’t care for dogs any more than they care for any other livestock. There are exceptions, of course, but in general they care about them as tools. Guard dogs, hunting dogs, great, but if that hunting dog misbehaves, they have no problem taking it straight to the gravel pit like Kristi Noem did. You even point out in your post that cops in the US shoot dogs at a mind boggling rate. Well, those cops are predominantly aligned with the right, are they not?
They may not have deep, intellectual compassion, but they have human feelings, and I can EASILY dig up thousands of facebook groups of right-wing dog lovers and their products, of people who have unparalleled love for guns, trump and dogs.
See, where you’re having a disconnect is the normal, human response to seeing behavior that runs against their own feelings. You’re encountering cognitive dissonance, and sorry to say once you start seeing it, you can’t stop seeing it and learn it’s fundamental to the human condition. Nobody is immune but some fall into it far more easily.
The cops that shoot dogs? Probably have their own dogs that they cherish. The people who scream and cry about how we need to deport immigrants? They would fight tooth-and-nail to keep their groundskeeper from being deported because “he’s a good guy and has a family.” The ones who want to see women die from miscarriages? They’ll drive their daughter over state-lines and pay for HER abortion. You see this everywhere. They voted on grocery prices… ask them how they feel about the price of eggs and poultry right now and you’ll get a dumb stare and a shifting goalpost, because those feelings were then, these new feelings are now.
And they do this all without a shred of self-awareness. I think we will fight the right a lot better when we understand that they’re not people who think the same way as we do. They aren’t aware of “punching down” or power structures, all they’re aware of is “punching” and cannot, will not EVER be able to separate themselves from their limited scope of “this is how I feel right now.” And this is also why this kind of mentality has been so successfully roped in by con-men who appeal to people’s selfish feelings.
will not EVER be able to separate themselves from their limited scope…
If they can’t be changed, then what?
We attack what they’re feeling. We shift their feelings. We appeal to their ever-shifting emotions and their selfish wants in the “now” and we make them hurt inside in a way that can’t be shifted into anger at a target. Honestly the issue of showing how police kill pets is a HUGE one I think we’re all leaving behind because I think for a lot of leftists, we’re afraid that if we make it an issue we will get attacked by other leftists for ignoring all the other huge issues and the human lives that are also being harmed.
And that’s the rub, we try so hard to craft arguments and make cases that encompass everyone and everything that we lose sight of how to deeply inject our feelings into the heart of that old white lady who commands the respect of her grown chud kids. People who do NOT care about how well crafted our socialist arguments are or how much data backs up our ideals. We gotta stupid-down and find a new grass-roots compass for change, because we’re not winning.
They actually love dogs a lot.
Despite all evidence to the contrary, you have quite the conviction. Quite the dedication to defending a terrorist
Boelton shot their family dog after murdering both parents. Kristi Noem murdered her family dog because she didn’t want to train it and was promoted to a high level cabinet position
Police, by your own admission, kill many family dogs. Police also heavily skew conservative
In spite of all that you think this administration and its followers love dogs?
So several things:
Quite the dedication to defending a terrorist
This is a juvenile and destructive bit of hyperbolic performatism and points to a clear lack of actual seriousness about the issue. If you don’t care about outcomes you’re on the wrong side.
Police, by your own admission, kill many family dogs. Police also heavily skew conservative
I will reference what I said elsewhere but you obviously didn’t read, which is that conservatism as a mindset is not coherent, it’s about how they feel now. They are gaining ground because we’re addressing intellectual ideas with them and they only care about what’s on their mind right now, this is what I’m saying we can exploit. But it involves something that will make reactionary turds on the left pretty uncomfortable, which is acknowledging that the vast majority of conservatives are normal people. Misguided but with the same emotions and wants for themselves.
The cops that shoot dogs? Probably have their own dogs that they cherish. The people who scream and cry about how we need to deport immigrants? They would fight tooth-and-nail to keep their groundskeeper from being deported because “he’s a good guy and has a family.” The ones who want to see women die from miscarriages? They’ll drive their daughter over state-lines and pay for HER abortion. You see this everywhere. They voted on grocery prices… ask them how they feel about the price of eggs and poultry right now and you’ll get a dumb stare and a shifting goalpost, because those feelings were then, these new feelings are now.
So my point is that we need to do better to appeal to the emotions they are using and figure out how to make it less about “including everyone” and more about “this is the pain you may feel next.”
If this is too “kind to terrorists” for you, you obviously haven’t been paying attention to how easily the underclass looking for equality can become the bad guys. Whatever happens in our country, we have to share it with them after, so I don’t entertain these kinds of tones that the right is inhuman monsters. Maybe the people bankrolling the media personalities, but the people are just people and you’re equally capable of losing cognitive thought and following your momentary feelings.
Guess he was really leaning into the whole “impersonating a police officer” thing.
Here’s a guy who killed two prominent people, shot two more, and a rescue dog.
I hope they at least give him the Luigi treatment.
I hope they at least give him the Luigi treatment.
Luigi, or whoever actually did it, had the decency not to harm anyone’s family or pets. This motherfucker deserves far worse.
Luigi actually saved lives though. The assassination of Brian Thompson was a stated symbolic protest against insurance practices that deny life‑saving care intended to spotlight and stop those denials. His act sparked intense public outrage media attention regulatory scrutiny and investor backlash which pressured UnitedHealth to soften its claim‑denial practices and approve more life‑saving care. That shift led to higher costs. Lower profits triggered the largest one‑day stock drop in 25 years and prompted a class‑action lawsuit by investors.
Luigi set out to right actual wrong and literally saved lives in the process
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-investors-lawsuit-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione/
I agree. But on the other hand, it seems like they’ve gone above and beyond “normal” in their approach to Luigi. I wanna see this MAGAt perp-walked in full shackles like they did Luigi.
Trump will pardon him 100% if he gets a federal charge.
He should have to clean every bathroom in the New York City subway system.
With a cotton swab.
Has the white house made any statements about the murder yet?
That it’s Walz’s fault
I will be surprised if they address it in anything but the most hands-off, distant references. “We heard something about the story, really tragic, we hate to see it.”
Even acknowledging it at all is a political minefield. The good news (for them) is they don’t have to! The vast majority of conservatives in this country, even the “tame” ones who are just scared of different people but have no political passion, they’re getting a deeply cultivated perspective of the world, one that mentions this murder as a strange side-incident that nobody is really talking about, a feed that shows them hundreds of thousands of people cheering at Trump’s parade, of sparse turnouts and cringe leftists at the “no kings” rallies that a few antifa agents organized, of the entire city of LA burning and the tariff’s crushing the economic stability of every other country but the USA, and waves of migrant “criminals” crying in anguish as they are being deported by Daddy Trump every day.
We don’t see how solid and happy the right is because we also have our own algorithmic bubbles that feed us false hope and dopamine hits of manufactured successes in the face of digital tyranny.
This is all very bad.
“Tots and pears”
Proof that ICE Barbie is complicit.
the ICE Princess
Would she notice a pea under her mattress?
ICE Cruella Barbie
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Republicans are the pro-murdering-dogs party.
Madman? He knew exactly what he was doing. He’s a maga murderer.
Barbie dog killer at it again.
Only a madman shoots a dog. I don’t think that this guy has even been charged yet?
I sincerely hope the hell he rots in is an eternal version of whatever his cowardice created that influenced him to do this. He deserves to live in eternal fear.
It’s fucked up, but there will be people more upset that he shot a dog than that he shot four people, killing two of them.
Edit: are you downvoting me because you think I’m wrong or because you think I’m right?
It just depends on what perspective you choose. Obviously human life is more significant than dog lives, but a lot of people see dogs similar to children. A life of love and innocence that does not deserve to know violence. It’s not so much comparing the value of lives but the value of innocence.
Except that’s my point. The people he assassinated were also innocent. The people he tried to assassinate were innocent. This wasn’t like a mob hit or an act of war. This was a terrorist attack.
What I mean is that people will usually see dogs as more innocent than even the most innocent human adult. Literally how most people feel about children. That type of innocence deserves to be protected, and failure to do so hurts more than the death of a stranger. It’s not rational, but it’s just how a lot of people feel. If those same people were to think about it rationally, they would say the loss of human lives is definitely worse.
You’re getting downvoted because you’re being a huge downer without evidence
Sorry, I didn’t mean to bring negative vibes to this party.
You brought no proof that people care more for the dog. It’s just a nonsense post looking to talk shit about people.
It’s not about talking shit. It’s about feeling morally superior to some imagined adversary.
There are people in this thread who are confirming that people care more for the dog. If you think those people don’t exist, I’m not going to have to provide proof. You’ll see it in the coming days and weeks.
One person said that. What a miserable cynic
Personally, I’m not sure what the point of this statement is. It’s not about whether or not it’s right or wrong. Let’s just for the sake of argument, assume that it’s objectively correct. So what? How is saying this, or identifying generically that some people inevitably have their priorities mixed up, a meaningful contribution to the topic?
At best it comes across as cynical. And then you’re thinking “it’s not cynical if it’s true”… But we’re all thinking that it’s cynical because it lacks pointed meaning.
It’s like a teenager got on the Internet, read something, missed the point entirely and instead says “but what about this indirect incorrectness thing that is otherwise unrelated” for no reason other than to be edgy or sound smart.
So what?
So it’s fucked up. Four people were shot by a terrorist, two of them have died, and there are a significant number of people who didn’t care until they learned a dog was also killed. That’s fucked up, not because people care about a dog, but that they didn’t care about the people.
Frankly I didn’t expect saying so to be met with such hostility. That bothers me almost as much as the lack of respect for human life.
So it’s fucked up.
Ok and? It’s clear you don’t even know what your own point is. That’s why you get down voted.
That bothers me almost as much as the lack of respect for human life.
Sounds like work for your therapist.
Animals don’t understand our language, they don’t understand our actions and they don’t know the consequences… So the US citizens have had so damn much time to defend democracy… but they only started when fascism was enforced and it was really already foreseeable where it would end… With flowers against batons, tear gas, weapons in general. As soon as the Republicans start the large-scale purge it will.
With flowers against assault rifles, tanks, etc. So my sympathy is very limited.Edit: are you downvoting me because you think I’m wrong or because you think I’m right?
Yes.
I appreciate the clarification.
