I know we pretty much all hated spez for all the shit he pulled, but a few weeks ago the tone towards reddit itself around here was more neutral. People liked it here on Lemmy a lot better, but people weren’t hating on the old place so much.
Recently I’m seeing this huuuuuuuge surge of just pure fucking hatred leveled at the site itself. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?
I mean, I was there because I thought it was alright. I hated spez for fucking it up and completely screwing his communities over. But I never hated reddit itself, and I still don’t. Otherwise I would’ve left a lot sooner.
Do you personally hate reddit? If so, why?
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We’re moving through the stages of grief. Many of us seem to be on “anger”.
Ohhhhhhhhh… you might be right. That’s an interesting thought, thank you.
That tends to happen when a site you frequent suddenly decides a portion of its users will have to visit with the worst experience possible or leave.
Additionally, false accusations and actions taking by Steve and Reddit admins only poked the wasp hive even more.
I think it also ties into a larger portion of people being fed up with corporate social media and corporations in general. All the ads, tracking, and shareholder profit driving decisions instead of what makes a product “good”.
I loved Reddit until I realized they were just going to do whatever they wanted and the community, apart from creating free content and work, didn’t matter. But the lying about discussions with the app creator was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Suddenly they weren’t just a bully, but they were a proven lying, dishonest bully. Everything that they say going forward will be suspect, so I decided to walk away. Who knows what they’re doing with my data/content. I know what they’re telling me. I don’t know what’s true.
I deleted most of my posts from my nearly 14-year history except for a handful that I think need to stay up and a couple of others that I’m testing something on. I log in every once in a while to leave any groups that might have unlocked since I was last there and delete those posts too.
I don’t hate them. But they’ve lost my trust, and I don’t see any way to regain it.
There could have been other, better solutions. The biggest problem right now is that the only tool in Steve Huffman’s toolbox is a hammer.
More like a bent tire iron he borrowed from Elon. A hammer would be quick and efficient at least, two things which he is not.
I loved Reddit, but after the API shenanigans and the doubling down I went sour… and then I read the latest TOS…
You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.
i.e. whatever you post WE own forever and we never have to credit you. It’s so horrifyingly immoral.
I bet they’re angling to sell data for AI training.
Didn’t they straight up say that at one point? And I don’t begrudge that: it makes sense. Potentially the next big wave of hotness is being trained on existing content like Reddit. They are potentially profiting off Reddit. It’s fair that Reddit should get a cut of that.
But there has to be a better way than to go through swinging a hammer side to side and not caring who you bludgeon
That’s a pretty standard TOS clause for any website that hosts user content these days.
I’ve not seen this “waive moral rights or attribution” in any other site. It’s not in Twitter’s, it’s not in Facebook, I don’t think it’s even legal in a lot of jurisdictions (moral rights cannot easily be contracted away).
Stack exchange is CC licensed, and they host a lot of user content.
I hated it, I only just barely put up with the toxic community so I could still visit my favorite subs only (I used apollo so I could ignore the garbage that’d be recommended to us constantly). I used the app-pocalypse as an excuse to leave. Now I only lurk there for the ooh-la-la subs, but as more and more creators there have lately been moving to lemmynsfw I might not even need those subs for much longer.
Having been there since the pre-Digg days, I simply hate what they’re doing with the place. It hurts to see something you’ve enjoyed and contributed to over the past 20 years become the antithesis of the free and open internet it once represented. Every change they made to the site since they tried to migrate off the old.reddit.com interface has been a negative one for the users. The sudden acceleration of those kind of changes has made the site both unreadable (content is beyond stale now) and worthless to participate in.
I think for me, this disappointment turned to real visceral antipathy when I saw this page - it looks like something the CCP would design for kindergartners. It’s not a place I want to be a part of at all, and I don’t want my past contributions to fuel it.
That is also very helpful, thank you. I can see that pissing people off.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that they repeat the word “community” like every fourth word all the way through that insipid swill. It’s definitely not a pathetically transparent attempt to retroactively stake a claim on the term that lemmy - the Reddit to their Digg - uses for its subforums.
We’re still discussing Reddit? That’s so 2.5 weeks old 😝 moved here because of spaz’ rule, not because I hate Reddit. It was a fun time which will be remembered.
It didn’t help that the reddit admins banned a huge chunk of moderators who refused to comply with their decisions. That sort of thing doesn’t sit well with creators.
For me personally, I joined Lemmy a couple days ago because Reddit shut Joey off with now notice amidst trying to negotiate payment for a paid API. Maybe the users you’re noticing are in a similar situation. I personally have no issues with reddit but I was a lurker there.
Joey was great, I still feel bad for the dev
You’re seeing it more because Reddit has made a series of decisions, in rather rapid succession within the last few weeks, that were widely disliked by longtime users of the platform. API restrictions, the crackdown on NSFW content, major bugs with the official mobile app, mass deletion of DMs, removal of Reddit Gold and the rumored upcoming “creator program”…
All of this has come down the pipeline in a relatively short amount of time, and is pushing people to the point of vehemency.
Yes, I myself am a post-blackout refugee. We were not constantly shredding reddit at every opportunity 2 weeks ago. Despite having all left because we no longer found it acceptable. This change is what I’m trying to explore.
Not spez fucking shit up. I know all that happened, I talked about spez in my OP. It explains hatred of spez, but not the entire faceless website that doesn’t actually have any consciousness or decision-making power.
Hate is a strong word, but I don’t like the power that comes with an extremely centralized internet. I also don’t like the ad driven internet. So Reddit as a website is no good in my opinion.
I picked it intentionally, hoping some people feeling some actual powerful emotions might try to explain why. Regardless of what I think of it intellectually, I don’t experience strong emotions towards it. I don’t miss it, I don’t hate it, my emotions towards it are very neutral.
I’m curious about others though. Emotionally, not intellectually.
I’m indifferent about Reddit. I’m just here because I want to see open-source and the fediverse do well.
If you think about the chain of events, it makes sense. While there were people using lemmy pre-exodus, the giant leap in userbase is a direct result of the exodus of users from reddit.
So it stands to reason, as that core group of people interacts with each other, and is then exposed to further shitty behaviour from reddit CEO… considering they were unhappy enough with reddit to move in the first place, it’s no surprise that exposure to more and more shitty behaviour leads to that feeling hardening.
I have disliked the direction of reddit ever since they made the new interface and removed css rules from subs. It was the first time, of many, that I saw reddit take something from the community and screw it up, all just to make the website more boring. It was especially annoying in that it removed text flairs from support and marketplace subs and forced people to come up with external systems.
They did it more often. Things like Reddit Gold were not first made by reddit, did you know? The whole API thing is just the concrete slab that pulverized the camel all the way to hell. Of all the things they took or took away, taking away the app I was using since years before they even made one was just too much. I can go from passively disliking them to actively hating them.
Plus, what ideas did they actually have that was original or good? “Hey guys, we stole Facebook’s chat”. “Hey guys, we added crypto”. The community makes bots that mediate debates, convert video format or do reminders, meanwhile reddit busies itself by ruining the Relevant option on its already bad search and then fucks off while stating “eh, you fucking degenerate nerds use site:reddit.com anyways”
reddit’s whole api used to be open and any user could run scripts with a bit of php. it was incredibly fun and interesting.
