I watched a bit of the meeting, not the whole thing, but the bit where Trump and Vance started lashing out at Zelenskyy. There’s been a lot of talk about it on here, and I agree Trump and Vance are big man babies trying to bully Ukraine into an unfavorable deal, but I’m still not clear on how this affects, well, everything I guess. Can someone ELI5?
The press conference was a big fucking deal. Photos of it are likely to make it into school textbooks.
What you’re seeing is a re-alignment of the global hegemony. The last time that happened, it took 2 world wars to sort it out.
Absolutely, it’s a major event. We’re history, yay…?
Even before Trump and Vance lashed out, it was a shitshow. Every time Zelenskyy brought up security, Trump dismissed it because the the minerals were “more important.”
European leaders were certainly watching, and their main takeaway was certainly that Trump can and will sacrifice the security of American allies for money.
Europe and many of the US’s allies had lower military spending and did not to pursue nuclear programs because there was the expectation that the US would help protect these countries. This was exactly the promise that the US gave to Ukraine that got them to give up their nuclear research.
Now that it’s become clear that the US cannot be relied upon for security, many of the US’s allies are certain to start reconsidering their stance on the military and nuclear weapons. As US soft power crumbles, I expect that new, smaller factions will arise to fill the void, and I expect that China will likely try to expand its influence as well.
Nice response!
The immediate impact is that the mineral rights treaty wasn’t signed. Past that the impact remains to be seen.
I would expect the first consequence - if it hasn’t happened already - would be for other countries to recognize that they can’t share intelligence with us and shouldn’t trust any they get from us.
The USA is finished as a world power. It may descend into a fascist developing nation, there may be a civil war, they may trigger ww3. Who knows.
I don’t know if anyone knows for sure. We all can only guess. In the short term that probably is a win for Russia (less support for Ukraine). In the long term… Who knows?
Maybe it will galvanise the EU… Or break it. Maybe it will turn out to be a weird show to surprise Russia, or maybe Trump wants to sell Ukraine to get Russian support against china.
Just guessing. I definitely don’t know.
Not sure, but it’s clear that it’s only a matter of time until the New Order begins sending military support to Russia.