Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a message of support Thursday for Elon Musk after the world’s richest man was accused of making a Nazi salute.

Musk “is being falsely smeared,” Netanyahu wrote on X, the social media platform owned by Musk. “Elon is a great friend of Israel. He visited Israel after the October 7 massacre… [and] has since repeatedly and forcefully supported Israel’s right to defend itself against genocidal terrorists and regimes who seek to annihilate the one and only Jewish state.”

Musk later thanked Netanyahu.

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    Just FYI: Netanyahu’s parents emigrated to Israel in the 1920s because they were as fervently Zionist as you can get. They even changed their name from something Polish to Netanyahu since that’s a blatantly Semitic name.

    In short- not only did he and his family not suffer from the Holocaust, they benefited from it because it furthered their own goals.

    So this should not be in any way surprising even if the genocide of Palestinians had not started under his watch.

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    This is essentially: “As a black man, those white hooded robes and burning cross definitely aren’t racist imagery!”

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    Well, time for everyone to put support for Israel in their bio and start sieg heiling around Jerusalem, see how long it takes before double standards are applied…

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      Serious question, if Netanyahu is a nazi why isn’t his government fascist? Literally 10% of the population of Israel was protesting him in 7/2023 demanding his removal and the Israeli state just let the protestors continue living. If Bibi is a nazi why didn’t his government pursue that population?

      Netanyahu is a corrupt piece of shit. Him taking bribes from Musk is more likely than Netanyahu being a nazi.

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        His government is fascist.

        The definition of ‘fascist’ is somewhat more complex than ‘a person who murders 10% of his county’s population due to political differences’.

        Do you think there weren’t people against the Nazis in 1930s Germany? The bulk of them weren’t killed either, so I guess by your logic Hitler also wasn’t a fascist or a Nazi?

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          No, it isn’t. You can be a genocidal apartheid nation and not be fascist. The USA was one for decades before fascism was conceived.

          Hitler was a fascist because he espoused a fascist ideology. Netanyahu does not do this. Netanyahu is promoting genocide and apartheid but both of those are not at all unique to fascism. France was doing things like this back when they were a monarchal empire.

          Please learn what fascism is so you know how to properly identify what it is. The current US administration is giving a clear example of it.

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              Alternatively you can all be incorrect which is the truth.

              For fuck’s sake fascist states are authoritarian and Israel has free and fair elections. Again being an apartheid state does not make you fascist.

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                That is a lie, Israel does not have a free and fair elections. It takes two min to find out about this lie, writing it down in a comment wouldn’t achieve anything.

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      Just to make sure I’m not missing a joke or something, you are declaring the, I can’t believe I am writing this, Prime Minister of Israel of being a nazi?

      I am drunk and hopefully missing something and apologies if I am.

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        Yes. Zionists are nazis. It’s not hard.

        Racist, expansionist, genicodal fascists heavily into ethnic cleansing and lebensraum. Sound familiar?

        It was never about the specific ethnicities, it was about power. Back in the 1930s, Jews made a convenient target - they were isolated and ‘other’ enough, and they were slowly gaining equality.

        The nazis were able to exploit the fear and resentment this caused, declare Jews the great enemy, and ramp up to a campaign of extermination to bolster their power and give cover to their ongoing invasions.

        These days, Jewish people aren’t occupying the same social niche. You can’t exactly get people to riot about Elaine, after all.

        However, LGBTQ (especially T) people make a fine substitute in the US, as do Latinx people.

        And in Israel, they have the Palestinians to pick on.

        It’s the same game, same tactics, same everything - only the specific names change.

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          Okay… Because I’m morbidly curious I guess, uhhh, what exactlt do you think nazis are most famous for? Like if you had to guess say one or two policies (hint, they might have affected gas prices?)

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            I’m very well aware of the Holocaust, thanks. Not only is it taught in schools extremely extensively where I live, but I have family near Kraków, and I’ve been to (relatively) nearby Auschwitz 4 or 5 times.

            You’re obviously hinting that someone who is Jewish cannot be a Nazi, but that’s categorically untrue.

            There were Jewish Nazis in 30s/40s Germany/Austria, and there are Jewish Nazis today.

            Netanyahu is genocidal. He is racist. He is trying to create an ethnostate. He is expansionist. He talks of getting rid of undesirables. He defends people literally doing Nazi salutes.

            He is a Nazi.

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              Nazis were also famously fascist, had no elections, had a strong security system to squash internal dissent and brooked no protest, none of which apply to Israel.

              I get the appeal of labelling things you oppose as nazis but you can’t just pick and choose what aspects fit and then apply the term nazi, it just makes us look dumb.

              When someone gets banned from a site and complains that site is run by nazis, if we’re using your standard of picking and choosing then that person is as correct as you are as the site is allowing no dissent and removing those who do. But in reality (I pray) we both look at that person and think less of their complaint because of the silliness of their comparison.

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                If you think what Israel does (genocide, expansionism, racism, building an ethnostate… you know, objectively the actions of a fascist government) is tantamount to banning someone from a website then you are so far gone that it’s pointless even trying to reason with you, so I won’t bother.

                Goodbye.

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                  You are so close to getting it. Yes, comparing the Nazis to banning someone from a website is fucking dumb and makes the person making the comparison look silly.

                  Using nazi as a perjorative for any group committing an act of genocide is the same.

                  Comparing what is happening in Gaza with the Holocaust (which is the implicit association you are making when you call groups nazis) is fucking stupid. One was arguably the worst thing in human history whereas what’s happening in Gaza is the same sort of thing that’s been happening constantly across the globe for decades and is happening in three different places right fucking now.

                  And the sense of scale is insane. Including all Palestinean deaths, 45k in ~ 15 months of fighting (including civilian and Hamas fighters) you could run these casualty rates for **25 years **and not match the deaths in Auschwitz alone (more than a million, almost entirely civilians.)

                  Labelling Netenyahu as a nazi demonstrates you are either woefully ignorant of the world beyond your social media feed, or have a literally childlike understanding of relative magnitudes, same way my friend’s toddler cries at horrific injustices like bedtime and no candy for dinner, to her these may actually be the worst things she recalls but that’s part of being a child.

                  And of course there’s the delightful soupcon of stupidity in calling the leader of the Jewish state a person that literally most famously hates Jews. Just, you look so stupid on so many levels that it makes all us adults who oppose the war look dumber by association. That’s why it is infuriating; not only is it a foolish comparison but it makes everyone who is against the war look like a similarly ignorant goof.

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            Are you aware that Nazis targeted more than just Jewish people? They rounded up and killed gay people, Romanis, Slavs, and anyone else who wasn’t part of their chosen in-group.

            So to answer your question: Nazis are most famous for rounding up and killing millions of people whom the Nazis felt were subhuman. They were famous for working to create an ethno-state.

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              They were also famously fascist, had no elections, had a strong security system to squash internal dissent and brooked no protest, none of which apply to Israel.

              I get the appeal of labelling things you oppose as nazis but you can’t just pick and choose what aspects fit and then apply the term nazi, it just makes us look dumb.

              When someone gets banned from a site and complains that site is run by nazis, if we’re using your standard of picking and choosing then that person is as correct as you are as the site is allowing no dissent and removing those who do. But in reality (I pray) we both look at that person and think less of their complaint because of the silliness of their comparison.

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            Instead of mass shooting jews, Israel masd bombed palestinians. Both also used starvation as a weapon amd systematic torture

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              Nazis were also famously fascist, had no elections, had a strong security system to squash internal dissent and brooked no protest, none of which apply to Israel.

              I get the appeal of labelling things you oppose as nazis but you can’t just pick and choose what aspects fit and then apply the term nazi, it just makes us look dumb.

              When someone gets banned from a site and complains that site is run by nazis, if we’re using your standard of picking and choosing then that person is as correct as you are as the site is allowing no dissent and removing those who do. But in reality (I pray) we both look at that person and think less of their complaint because of the silliness of their comparison.

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        So one being nazi has to hate jews? He can’t be a nazi if he hates something else, but otherwise acts like one?

        If you mean literally a “spiritual member” of original Nazi party, then yeah probably, although nazi-germany was also exterminating other groups they saw as genetic garbage.

        Definition of a nazi has changed a bit and somewhat fused with general facism.

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    It is politically convenient for Isreal to embrace Musk… hence why the ADL was so quick to downplay the nazi salute initially.

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    Musk “is being falsely smeared,” Netanyahu wrote on X, the social media platform owned by Musk. “Elon is a great friend of Israel.”

    Jews aren’t the primary out group this time ’round. Being a “friend of Israel” does not preclude you from being a Nazi.

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    If the prime minister of Israel considers him a great friend… that certainly seals the deal for me. He doesn’t hate jews, therefore cant be a nazi.