Summary
Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.
I can’t find the will to make a leopards/faces joke about this. This is exactly what we told people who wouldn’t vote for Harris because of “gEnOcIdE jOe” bullshit.
Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide. They failed, but they tried. Now we’ve got an absolute monster in charge who is going to outright empower the genocide.
If you voted for Trump, voted for a third party, or refused to vote… FUCK YOU. You own this.
Genocide Joe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
The previous government allowed this genocide to happen, the current government is making plans to keep it going. Perhaps you will now understand what people have in mind when they say that both parties are the same and to look for alternatives.
Biden did not try. Palestinians were doomed either way
This article is literally about one of Biden’s efforts to rein in the violence. He did try. Now go ahead and excuse Trump freeing up 2,000-pound bombs for Israel, and how that’s better for Palestine than it would be if Harris had won. Good luck.
He also bypassed congress twice to give billions of aid to Israel. Nobody is excusing trump freeing 2000 pound of bomb to Israel
“We tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” energy. It’s almost if Palestine was doomed either way. Heck of a lot cheaper to not send bombs to Israel
Lying about Biden trying “nothing” doesn’t make it OK that you carried water for Trump.
Now that is a lie, anyone who thinks Biden actually tried to stop the genocide is either not paying attention or flat out lying. Not everyone who opposes aiding an active genocide carried water for trump. Believe it or not you can be vocal about being against trump and genocide
This is a very simple trolley problem. Do nothing and the Trump train runs over a lot more people. Vote fore Biden and a lot less folks will day. Arguing for the Trump trolley (which you are doing) is foolish.
The setup is correct, but calling the problem “very simple” just means you don’t understand the trolley problem.
If you think that what I said was in support of trump, you are part of the reason trump is in office again. There is no trolley; there be only genocide or we’re sorry still genocide
Okay, so even if Biden didn’t try what good did voting for Trump or not voting at all due for our country and or Israel?
What? Biden didn’t try. You don’t have to vote for trump or not vote at all, to understand that.
Trump appears to have pushed Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire, which Biden failed to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the delivery of these bombs was part of the backroom deal between Trump and Netanyahu which led to the ceasefire.
I don’t know what will happen after this ceasefire expires, but until then it’s a little early for those who criticized Biden’s policy on Israel to criticize Trump’s.
No it fucking isn’t, what with Israel set to receive 2,000 pound bombs that can level a city block.
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I think of the millions of “pro-Palestinian lemmings”, there were all of like five that said Trump would help. Everyone else looked soberly at the bipartisan support for genocide, which you seem unwilling to acknowledge.
I think the tally at this point is about 30 billion dollars worth of arms sent to “Israel” since Oct '23. 99% of that under Biden. Breaking domestic and international law in doing so. That is the largest foreign benefactor of the U.S., a fundamentally apartheid state engaged in genocide for 77 years, more brutally and unashamedly than ever before since '23. Again, this is violating the Leahy Law, U.S. domestic prohibitions on the commission or complicity in genocide, the UN Genocide Convention, likely the Geneva Conventions, and other international law. I would love for someone with your stance to explain why Biden engaged in this, because I think you’re just floundering trying to describe this situation without that key piece of information.
Hope that helps. Not sure why you are looking to excuse complicity in genocide by drawing a D/R division where there really is not one. IMO what you’re doing in posting this is extremely immoral and I urge you to reconsider your views.
P.S.:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28
WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.
Between the war’s start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.
As someone who’s actually been following the individual arm shipments, the implication that there is any difference is literally insane. Biden was shoveling coal into the genocide engine as fast as humanly possible.
No one said Trump would stop it. We said that Biden/Harris shouldn’t be enabling it.
And that made centrists very, very angry.
Trump actually delivered a ceasefire.
Name does not check out.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/
When would the killing stop under biden (or harris who was happy to continue his policies)? Pausing one fucking shipment isn’t the amazing stand for life that you think it is. Sure though, blame it all on Palestine and not the democrats refusing to listen to voters (on many issues, not just this one) during a fucking election. I’m sure if the other pro-genocide candidate got in, we’d all be living in fucking paradise.
Well, for one, Harris wouldn’t have had people doing Nazi salutes on stage at her inauguration… But surely that’s unrelated.
I would put forward the argument that Democrat voters are obsessed with appearances and rhetoric, and completely ignore policy that contradicts the ideals they think of themselves as having. You criticize Elon Musk doing Nazi symbolism, great. Count how many comments you’ve posted about that, and then give me the ratio of those to the number of comments you posted criticizing Biden for sending ~30 billion dollars of arms to a genocide. Because, at the end of the day, the biggest problem with Nazism was that it resulted in genocide. You might remember from school that genocide is LITERALLY THE WORST THING EVER BESIDES COMPLETE NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION OF THE PLANET.
I’d like to see a minimum of 1:100 on those comments. I get the feeling it’s less.
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Biden, not once, ever, stated “full throated support for genocide”.
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At no point did Biden ever, once, tell Israel to continue killing Palestinians. The support was provided for defense from Iran, full stop.
October 25th, 2023: https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-criticizes-extremist-settlers-west-bank-2023-10-25/
August 1st, 2024:
https://www.jns.org/biden-reaffirms-support-for-israeli-self-defense-against-iran-in-call-with-netanyahu/November 26th, 2024:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-says-israel-has-right-to-self-defense-if-hezbollah-or-anyone-else-breaks-deal/What Israel chose to do with that support is on Israel, not Biden.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
Are you really trying to claim that USA supported israel without knowing they would have leveled gaza?
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Nobody told you the killing would stop if Trump won. The minority of people in the U.S. who have a serious problem with genocide (enough to push them to action) mostly expressed extreme disillusionment at a political system where genocide has become acceptable enough to vote for across a broad majority of the population, and an unwillingness to support anyone responsible.
Your logic of “one genocide supporter would be worse than the other” is not compelling to anyone who’s thought about it for more than a few minutes.
Harris would have done the same thing
I’m here but I’m not United Statesian so I can’t vote in your elections (even though US foreign influence is so aggressive it feels like I should have a say).
Oh no, I’ve upset some MAGA weirdos. Gonna lose sleep over that.
Good thing all those “Genocide Joe” voters abstained from the election
Something bad could have happened to those Palestinians
Good job
It did totally and completely under his watch. Gaza was holocausted under the Presidency of 1 Joseph Robbinette Biden Jr. Aka Genocide Joe.
He gave them over 14,000 (FOURTEEN THOUSAND) 2000lb bombs that they used to flatten Gaza. There are ample pictures. Go look. Go look at the bad GENOCIDE JOE did to the Gazans in the name of America.
Or did you only start paying attention to Gaza when Trump was inaugurated?
Oh, quit pretending like you care. If you did, you would support the only party to have a elected as Palestinian-American, and you would listen to what she has to say. But instead of supporting her, you glazed for Trump.
November 8, 2023
22 Democrats join Republicans in a successful vote to censure Rashida Tlaib.
The whole house gave Netanyahu standing ovation after standing ovation while Tlaib sat there in protest. That’s some incredible support.
Do you know anything about the situation at hand or you grasping at straws here?
The vote was 234-188.
Why don’t we talk about the 212 Republicans that voted for her censure instead of the 22 democrats that joined them?
Why don’t we talk about the 188 democrats that voted against censure?
What’s your game plan? Weaken the Democrats so that the Republicans keep power in the majority?
Oh, quit pretending like you care.
Quit projecting your callousness onto others.
and now it’s about to get even fucking worse. it was a choice between kamala harris and fucking trump. Yeah, both suck. But one of them will actively make things way worse.
88% destroyed.
If you drink 88% of a glass of water and someone else drinks the other 12%, who had more water?
you think it’s going to stop at Gaza? Guarantee, israel will destroy the west bank next. and trump will provide even more weapons than biden ever did.
You may be correct, but maybe now the TDS democrats will join the rest of the anti-genocide movement because their guy isn’t overseeing the genocide anymore. They have the bad guy they want now.
Or they are going try to mock and belittle people who didn’t fall in line to vote for with THE WORST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY who clearly had no intent to stop the evil destruction. Their imaginary scenarios become the dogma they are blinded by.
i actually agree with you. the dems are worse than useless. they do literally nothing and field garbage candidates and wonder why they lose. we need a better party.
Trump is already president again. That next paycheque isn’t coming for you, lol
After Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris, we have Destroying Donnie. Too bad #destroyingdonnie won’t be amplified by Xitter like the previous two was, to try to sway voters.
To the Muslim MAGA voters, that’s 2000 lbs, multiples, of Fuck Around and Find Out.
Trump has delivered a ceasefire that was always clamored for.
“it can’t get worse tho…”
See this thread for why D’s will never learn, and do not deserve to govern. Still blaming everyone they failed to motivate.
“You should have accepted the continuation of the slow D genocide. Now you’ll get the extra double R genocide, and it’s all your fault!”
This is why progressives abstained; to let Trump destroy the corporate-whore duopoly and charade of “democracy” in America. It wasn’t under some fantasy that R’s would be better for Gaza, America, or the planet. It was because the D’s are captured by the corporate oligarchy — thus will never offer meaningful change — and spent the last few decades helping the R’s sow the seeds for fascism, building the surveillance state and MIC, destroying the financial and housing security of the working class, etc.
Eventually some victims will stop accepting the abuse, and lash out at their abusers; even if it means much worse abuse or death.
Eventually some victims will stop accepting the abuse, and lash out at their abusers; even if it means much worse abuse or death.
Of course, if we wait for that to happen, we’ll already be well under the bootheel.
If you need a fully fledged fascist autocracy to happen before you get off your ass and do something… you’ve already failed.
Well it’s a good thing the genocide was stopped. Because it would be awfully embarrassing to grandstand on that single issue and have no result while simultaneously making the lives of thousands of others worse.
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I said either side resulted in genocide, and the R’s would be worse, but I’m guessing you are reactionary without reading my comment… Nice strawman though.
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I’m not American, and I would’ve voted for the lesser of two evils if I were, so you’re preaching to the choir. I’m just a messenger.
But do continue complaining about the left and proving that you’ve learned nothing, because that’s worked out well for you so far. The proof is in the fascist dictatorship!
I’m not American, and I would’ve voted for the lesser of two evils if I were, so you’re preaching to the choir. I’m just a messenger.
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Oh god is that all the ceasefire is? Chance to resupply? Trump is going to open the floodgates.
On one hand, this will probably speed the resolution of the conflict.
On the other hand, the conflict will be resolved through the completion of the genocide of Palestinians that are in areas Israel wants to own. “There are no people left to shoot or bomb” is one way to stop a conflict.
And just to be clear, none of that is a good thing.
Yea but at least we don’t have GeNOCiDe JoE and that damn BlUemAgA in power!!!/S
Hilarious how the comments are blaming the group that wants to abstain or be central in their belief when the play was already set in place regardless of the outcome. Class war yet we bite at each other.
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This is great!
Because now we can detonate those bombs in Israel.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t Biden already lift them?
Yet the memes, jokes and everything that gets through to the non politics junkies was about Elon’s salute.
Almost like it was a perfect distraction for people to get enraged by while ignoring the serious issues.
Both Trump and Harris were pro Israel. Why are third party voters getting gaslighted for Trump’s actions. I didn’t vote for him. And Harris would have been more of the same. Worse/better doesn’t matter. Both backed Israel and sending weapons.
Living in a world without nuance would mean experiencing life in a stark, black-and-white manner. Every situation, person, and idea is categorized as purely good or bad, leaving no room for complexity, shades of meaning, or understanding of different perspectives; A world where everything is simplified to extremes, leading to misinterpretations and a difficulty navigating more complex situations and interpersonal relationships. If worse/better doesn’t matter, there can be no difference between killing 1,000 people or killing 100,000 people.
Both of them are pro-Israel, but only one of them is sending Israel 2,000 lbs bombs. How can you not see that that is flatly worse?
That’s true.
And only one of them has overseen the wholesale destruction of Gaza by originally supplying thousands of 2,000 lb bombs plus BILLIONS of DOLLARS of other weapons that were used in the genocide.
And only one has negotiated a ceasefire.
Which one of those two is flatly worse?
Pop Quiz: which party is the only one to have a Palestinian-American respresentative in Congress?
You guessed it, the Democrats. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Tlaib
Pop quiz: how many democrats joined republicans to censure Rashida Tlaib?
22!
How many people joined in Tlaib’s protest as Netanyahu was given standing ovation after standing ovation while addressing congress?
ZERO
Democrats really got your back.
The vote was 234-188
Omfg, 22 Democrats!! Let’s not talk about the 212 Republicans they joined, right? Let’s make sure those Republicans stay in office and grow stronger. Let’s not think about the 188 democrats who voted not to censure her.
What a clever strategy. You see things oh so clearly.
They needlessly voted to censure her for her harmless free speech about another country.
Where do their allegiances lie?
The image that has stuck with me the most is Rashida Tlaib sitting in congress with a sign protesting the war criminal genociding her people while every other colleague in the room gave him standing ovation after standing ovation.
There is only one ally in congress.
Yes, fortunately.
I don’t know how anyone can be inspired by the democrats who are weak in power and weak out of power.
You see what Trump is doing with executive orders? They (democrats) all said it was coming if he won the 2020 election and again when he ran for this one.
So why didn’t the democrats do it first with policies to help people as soon as Biden went into office? Why not sign universal healthcare and childcare and fight them with their own devices?
This administration is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, but they are throwing so much shit the wall is disappearing.
Why didn’t the democrats put any safeguards in while they were in power?
Where is Harris now? She earned a lot of votes she should be out there fighting for those people.
Where are the democrats? And don’t tell me any stories about Tio Bernie because he’s just there to squash movements.
Btw you are focusing on the wrong number.
Rashida Tlaib sat there protesting while the person exterminating her people was given a standing ovation. Not one person joined her in the room
What you are failing to understand is there are no allies in congress except for her.
Keep telling yourself that, buttercup.
