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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.

“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.

After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”

“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.

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    Authorities are desperately trying to make an example of someone, anyone with a motive. Turns out more than half the country has one.

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      the way they portray him and the tone of the whole thing is just so fucking slimy

      “Do you realize how much money the wealthy are losing right now?”

      “OMG how could a person born into wealth that is clearly incredibly intelligent, ever think about doing something like this? There are better ways to slowly let millions of people die over denied coverage and ignore it. How could he.”

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      Turns out more than half the country has one.

      Turns out your new president kinda wants to put that half in shackles, too.

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      They’ll find 12 of the whitest old women to ever exist and hammer this guy, I can just feel it. The justice system exists for the rich and whoever did this fucked with one of their own.

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        My Nostradamus prediction of the day is that you are right. They will all miraculously had a great time with the private healthcare syndicates.

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    “Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.

    Prosecutors, man. Acting like he had a fucking radio jammer or something.

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    Looks like they are trying hard to rebrand the guy image by publishing pictures where he looks off. How i’m supposed to believe the government has no plan against the people when they pull stunt like this?

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      Mugshots rarely look good because they want a centered and level profile of your face with a neutral expression in order to capture as much detail as possible. It also might have been a minute since he’s seen a shower or a razor. I wouldn’t call that a conspiracy, there are much more important details at play here than his looks.

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        they released multiple mugshots, pictures of him in jail and now there are even videos. That’s not normal at all.

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        Mugshots are also designed to make people look bad because it used to be a way that criminals would use for self promotion. But if they look bad then it has the opposite effect making them seem more animalistic and thus more evil. Also often used in wanted posters if enough photos are available. This has been the case for long before photography was invented with drawings as well.

        Otherwise, they’d look more like photo IDs, which have the same requirements and are bad compared to something framed specifically to flatter someone, but not as bad as mugshots. Doesn’t help that most mugshots are taken after long, abusive “interrogation” sessions or other situations that exhaust them rather than immediately upon arrest, but that’s on purpose.

        But the tactic to use mugshots as self promotional got popular when photos first came around because if they could get in a good shot, it’s not like the police could afford to take multiple. Film was expensive. And they were put in newspapers and such, so they spread around for free. Just look at the famous criminals of the Wild West era. So police doubled down on making sure the photos looked as bad as possible and it became a popular tactic to use against “famous” criminals. Now it’s used against basically all criminals.

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          Mugshots are also designed to make people look bad because it used to be a way that criminals would use for self promotion.

          Versus now where only presidents use them for self promotion.

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    From the article:

    Although a host of eyewitness accounts and video camera footage recorded Mangione’s movements before and after Thompson was killed in New York City on Wednesday, police said they were unable to locate him until a McDonald’s employee identified the suspect at a Pennsylvania franchise nearly a week later.

    They should have said “the suspect’s movements” or “the shooter’s movements”. Not “Mangione’s movements”. They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can’t they?

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            He took Russia’s side in their invasion of Ukraine, which I don’t agree with, but truth is truth and he accurately describes how the media sways public opinion without outright lying.

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              Can you back up that claim with a link?

              I only read Chomsky saying:

              1. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a crime.
              2. The US + Britain have committed far worse atrocities in war (e.g. Iraq, Lebanon, Indochina) than Russia in Ukraine.
              3. It would be better to attempt de-escalation of the Russia-Ukraine war than to strengthen NATO and continue a proxy war with Russia.
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                I mean, by your own comment, those aren’t great things. 2 is a whataboutism and 3 is the same as giving concessions to the Nazis and lead to WWII. Concessions have already been given to Russia in regards to their previous invasions of Georgia and Crimea. Give an inch and they’ll take a mile.

                Regardless of Chomsky’s stance on Russia and NATO though, he still describes media manipulation acutely. He just has a huge blind spot for when Russia is doing it

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                  I don’t think it’s fair to say 2 is strictly whataboutism, because Chomsky has a founded fear that strengthening NATO as a military power through conflict escalation will lead to worse outcomes in the long run. That’s why it’s relevant to point out NATO war crimes.

                  As for 3, that’s a fair point, and I would press Chomsky to provide an option for de-escalation that doesn’t involve allowing Russia to keep any Ukrainian soil.

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              Sure, but I think you’d understand that I can’t just take pure speculation though. Could you please source your claim so I can consider what you’re saying when you say he “took Russia’s side”.

              Would also be curious of the state he was in while saying that if true, as he’s nearly 100 years old at this point if I recall? Even our heroes get frail and wither, not necessarily representative of their true core positions.

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      It seems kinda grey because they’re not saying he committed a crime they are saying that he was in certain camera frames and the police were looking for him. If the police announced a name then the news would be reporting fact. The camera bit could be debatable I think. If they were speaking more about the actions of the crime they’d have to alledge, which they did alledge about his “type” of bookbag.

      I could be wrong I just found your comment interesting.

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        Yeah but by stating as a fact that it was Mangione who was witnessed and recorded they are stating as a fact that he is the killer, which we don’t know yet. That is-- or used to be – a big no no in reporting. But times have changed. Here is a link I found explaining how they are probably opening themselves up to a libel charge with this kind of language.

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        All the accounts I’ve read say it was an employee of the McDonald’s who called police. But who knows? Probably one source printed that and then all the others just copied it.

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    I’m not convinced either way whether or not he’s the culprit, but I certainly don’t trust the authorities to give him a fair trial.

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        One thing that lends credence to him being the culprit is that he’s from a well-to-do family, with a Republican state congressman cousin, no less. I would think they would prefer a poor to be their patsy.

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    Our incoming president is a convicted felon and RAPIST who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election.

    The rule of law doesn’t mean shit anymore.

    I could give 2 fucks if this guy lies through his teeth to get off the hook. Go for it bro.

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    My ez-pass transponder came with a faraday bag - clearly ez-pass is a criminal organization

    A former employer handed out branded faraday phone and wallet bags as a tchotchke- I must have worked for organized crime.

    Oh no, passport faraday bags are all over Amazon - clearly criminal and needs to be shut down

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    He had Ill will against corporate America, nobody would have that unless they were the killer! Sick evidence coppers!

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    If the police did this, that’s not surprising, but they are really stupid.

    This case is going to be under a microscope like an inverted OJ trial, and every bit of police misconduct is ammunition for his lawyers

    Imagine the uproar if this guy gets away on a technicality… it would be a national celebration, lol.

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      Imagine the uproar if this guy gets away on a technicality

      Stop it, don’t get my hopes up! 🤞

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    What if you find shooter’s backpack ditched in park with jacket, gun, silencer, and fake ID used at hostel, but say it only had a jacket and monopoly money. And say that the guy probably left the state on a bus. Now you can pretty much do anything you want with any plausible-looking guy in the country you want.

    I’m just asking questions! Also, most of the bags and purses you see for sale these days have a “faraday” phone bag or pocket in them, no level of sophistication required.

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      Since this involves the murder of a high-ranking CEO, rather than an ordinary joe schone, the police might resort to unconventional or potentially illegal investigative methods to track down the suspect. They could then potentially plant evidence to secure a conviction, as they may be unwilling or unable to disclose the investigative techniques used.

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    • Likely wearing similar clothes to the widely circulated photographs. Otherwise how did anyone recognize him?
    • Still had his ghost gun and manifesto on him.
    • Cops asked him for an ID and he gave them the same fake New Jersey ID that had been widely reported as what he used to check into a hostel in NYC.

    Where these just common mistakes? Made by the same person who succeeded at avoiding so many others? But if he was trying to turn himself in, getting arrested at McDonalds doesn’t seem like the method I would have chosen. Was he trying for suicide by police?

    I’m leaning on the side of a normal human ‘on the run’ and making normal mistakes. But there is enough to make me doubt that.

    Also if they ever make a movie out of this, James Franco’s brother Dave Franco has a passing resemblance.

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      If he did do it, he is going to be really popular in prison, but I imagine teased to. You realize that your not supposed to keep the ghost gun right?

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    Age 20-30, has a good bag to carry thier tech around day to day, dislikes american health insurance, and may be mentally unwell without proper diagnosis; Describes every college student I know.

    If the more concrete evidence is you where within a few miles of the incident in NY, as well know NY is not a dense urban city…

    It’s all hard to say, rampant distrust of the police means, knowing they are desperate to pin it on anyone, we can’t trust what they say.